From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@poochiereds.net>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Confused by pnfs LAYOUTRETURN - seeking clarity.
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 14:25:05 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1488569105.2997.1.camel@poochiereds.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87shmvnzh7.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name>
On Fri, 2017-03-03 at 08:24 +1100, NeilBrown wrote:
> I've been trying to understand how LAYOUTRETURN is used in pNFS,
> primarily because our SLE12-SP1 kernel (based on 3.12) appears
> to have a very different opinion than some Netapp filers.
>
> My reading of RFC-5661 suggests that the client needs to call
> LAYOUTRETURN for every layout that it received from the server. A
> single LAYOUTRETURN can cover a whole file or a whole filesystem, so it
> doesn't need to be 1-for-1, but there is no implicit return.
>
> However RFC-5663 contains the text
>
> A LAYOUTRETURN operation represents an explicit release of resources
> by the client, usually done for the purpose of avoiding unnecessary
> CB_LAYOUTRECALL operations in the future.
>
> This seems to imply that LAYOUTRETURN is only an optimisation. If you
> don't want to avoid CB_LAYOUTRECALL, there is not much call for
> LAYOUTRETURN. It seems to suggest (without explicitly saying) that the
> CB_LAYOUTRECALL will effect the return of a layout without the client
> explicitly sending LAYOUTRETURN in response. RFC-5661 says LAYOUTRETURN
> does need to be sent in response.
>
> The code in 3.12 doesn't send LAYOUTRETURN in response to
> CB_LAYOUTRECALL, nor does it send LAYOUTRETURN when it closes a file
> marked as "return layouts on close". The one place I have seen evidence
> of it returning layouts is when a file is unlinked, though I think there
> are others (chmod, IO error).
>
> The current upstream code seems to call LAYOUTRETURN more correctly, but
> it is hard to be sure because I couldn't find a commit which acknowledged
> the specific problem and corrected it - just commits that claim to be
> making improvements and avoiding races and things like that.
>
> Questions:
> - Am I correct that all layouts need to be explicitly returned by the
> client, and so the text from RFC-5663 is misleading?
>
There is one special case...
When the server does a CB_LAYOUTRECALL, the client can reply with
NFS4ERR_NOMATCHING_LAYOUT if it's not actively using the layout at the
time. With that, the client isn't expected to do a LAYOUTRETURN.
Any other status on the CB_LAYOUTRECALL however does require a
LAYOUTRETURN.
> - If so, what is the earliest kernel that is believed to correctly
> return layouts in response to CB_LAYOUTRECALL, or a 'roc' file being
> closed?
>
> I was advised that Netapp are considering a change (netapp issue
> 955835):
> An enhancement will be added in future versions of Ontap to clear out
> the corresponding layout states after a file has been closed in the
> event the client does not return them.
>
> This sounds like a mistake, unless "clear out" means "send
> CB_LAYOUTRECALL for". Should we advice Netapp against this?
>
> Thanks,
> NeilBrown
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-03-03 19:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-03-02 21:24 Confused by pnfs LAYOUTRETURN - seeking clarity NeilBrown
2017-03-03 15:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2017-03-03 19:25 ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2017-03-06 3:54 ` NeilBrown
2017-03-07 0:48 ` Trond Myklebust
2017-03-07 20:09 ` NeilBrown
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