From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: keyrings@vger.kernel.org, trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com,
sfrench@samba.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, rgb@redhat.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 02/27] containers: Implement containers as kernel objects
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 19:46:07 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1550634367.11684.6.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <054c1e762d28306abd4db9c42fb1c5f4261332fd.camel@themaw.net>
On Wed, 2019-02-20 at 11:04 +0800, Ian Kent wrote:
> On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 18:20 -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Tue, 2019-02-19 at 23:06 +0000, David Howells wrote:
> > > James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I thought we got agreement years ago that containers don't
> > > > exist in Linux as a single entity: they're currently a
> > > > collection of cgroups and namespaces some of which may and some
> > > > of which may not be local to the entity the orchestration
> > > > system thinks of as a "container".
> > >
> > > I wasn't party to that agreement and don't feel particularly
> > > bound by it.
> >
> > That's not at all relevant, is it? The point is we have widespread
> > uses of namespaces and cgroups that span containers today meaning
> > that a "container id" becomes a problematic concept. What we
> > finally got to with the audit people was an unmodifiable label
> > which the orchestration system can set ... can't you just use that?
>
> Sorry James, I fail to see how assigning an id to a collection of
> objects constitutes a problem or how that could restrict the way a
> container is used.
Rather than rehash the whole argument again, what's the reason you
can't use the audit label? It seems to do what you want in a way that
doesn't cause problems. If you can just use it there's little point
arguing over what is effectively a moot issue.
James
> Isn't the only problem here the current restrictions on the way
> objects need to be combined as a set and the ability to be able add
> or subtract from that set.
>
> Then again the notion of active vs. inactive might not be sufficient
> to allow for the needed flexibility ...
>
> Ian
>
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Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-02-15 16:07 [RFC PATCH 00/27] Containers and using authenticated filesystems David Howells
2019-02-15 16:07 ` [RFC PATCH 01/27] containers: Rename linux/container.h to linux/container_dev.h David Howells
2019-02-15 16:07 ` [RFC PATCH 02/27] containers: Implement containers as kernel objects David Howells
2019-02-17 18:57 ` Trond Myklebust
2019-02-19 23:03 ` David Howells
2019-02-20 14:23 ` Trond Myklebust
2019-02-17 19:39 ` James Bottomley
2019-02-19 23:06 ` David Howells
2019-02-20 2:20 ` James Bottomley
2019-02-20 3:04 ` Ian Kent
2019-02-20 3:46 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2019-02-20 4:42 ` Ian Kent
2019-02-20 6:57 ` Paul Moore
2019-02-19 16:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-19 23:13 ` David Howells
2019-02-19 23:55 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-02-20 2:46 ` Ian Kent
2019-02-20 13:26 ` Christian Brauner
2019-02-21 10:39 ` Ian Kent
2019-02-15 16:07 ` [RFC PATCH 03/27] containers: Provide /proc/containers David Howells
2019-02-15 16:07 ` [RFC PATCH 04/27] containers: Allow a process to be forked into a container David Howells
2019-02-15 17:39 ` Stephen Smalley
2019-02-19 16:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-19 23:16 ` David Howells
2019-02-15 16:07 ` [RFC PATCH 05/27] containers: Open a socket inside " David Howells
2019-02-19 16:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-15 16:08 ` [RFC PATCH 06/27] containers, vfs: Allow syscall dirfd arguments to take a container fd David Howells
2019-02-19 16:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-19 23:24 ` David Howells
2019-02-15 16:08 ` [RFC PATCH 07/27] containers: Make fsopen() able to create a superblock in a container David Howells
2019-02-15 16:08 ` [RFC PATCH 08/27] containers, vfs: Honour CONTAINER_NEW_EMPTY_FS_NS David Howells
2019-02-17 0:11 ` Al Viro
2019-02-15 16:08 ` [RFC PATCH 09/27] vfs: Allow mounting to other namespaces David Howells
2019-02-17 0:14 ` Al Viro
2019-02-15 16:08 ` [RFC PATCH 10/27] containers: Provide fs_context op for container setting David Howells
2019-02-15 16:09 ` [RFC PATCH 11/27] containers: Sample program for driving container objects David Howells
2019-02-15 16:09 ` [RFC PATCH 12/27] containers: Allow a daemon to intercept request_key upcalls in a container David Howells
2019-02-15 16:09 ` [RFC PATCH 13/27] keys: Provide a keyctl to query a request_key authentication key David Howells
2019-02-15 16:09 ` [RFC PATCH 14/27] keys: Break bits out of key_unlink() David Howells
2019-02-15 16:09 ` [RFC PATCH 15/27] keys: Make __key_link_begin() handle lockdep nesting David Howells
2019-02-15 16:09 ` [RFC PATCH 16/27] keys: Grant Link permission to possessers of request_key auth keys David Howells
2019-02-15 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH 17/27] keys: Add a keyctl to move a key between keyrings David Howells
2019-02-15 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH 18/27] keys: Find the least-recently used unseen key in a keyring David Howells
2019-02-15 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH 19/27] containers: Sample: request_key upcall handling David Howells
2019-02-15 16:10 ` [RFC PATCH 20/27] container, keys: Add a container keyring David Howells
2019-02-15 21:46 ` Eric Biggers
2019-02-15 16:11 ` [RFC PATCH 21/27] keys: Fix request_key() lack of Link perm check on found key David Howells
2019-02-15 16:11 ` [RFC PATCH 22/27] KEYS: Replace uid/gid/perm permissions checking with an ACL David Howells
2019-02-15 17:32 ` Stephen Smalley
2019-02-15 17:39 ` David Howells
2019-02-15 16:11 ` [RFC PATCH 23/27] KEYS: Provide KEYCTL_GRANT_PERMISSION David Howells
2019-02-15 16:11 ` [RFC PATCH 24/27] keys: Allow a container to be specified as a subject in a key's ACL David Howells
2019-02-15 16:11 ` [RFC PATCH 25/27] keys: Provide a way to ask for the container keyring David Howells
2019-02-15 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 26/27] keys: Allow containers to be included in key ACLs by name David Howells
2019-02-15 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 27/27] containers: Sample to grant access to a key in a container David Howells
2019-02-15 22:36 ` [RFC PATCH 00/27] Containers and using authenticated filesystems James Morris
2019-02-19 16:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2019-02-19 23:42 ` David Howells
2019-02-20 7:00 ` Paul Moore
2019-02-20 18:54 ` Steve French
2019-02-20 14:18 ` Christian Brauner
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