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From: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Erin Shepherd <erin.shepherd@e43.eu>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, stable <stable@kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Shaohua Li <shli@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] exportfs: add flag to allow marking export operations as only supporting file handles
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2024 11:35:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <15628525-629f-49a4-a821-92092e2fa8cb@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxjcVuq+PCoMos5Vi=t_S1OgJEM5wQ6Za2Ue9_FOq31m9Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/9/24 11:30 AM, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 2:46 PM Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 09, 2024 at 09:58:58AM +0100, Amir Goldstein wrote:
>>> To be clear, exporting pidfs or internal shmem via an anonymous fd is
>>> probably not possible with existing userspace tools, but with all the new
>>> mount_fd and magic link apis, I can never be sure what can be made possible
>>> to achieve when the user holds an anonymous fd.
>>>
>>> The thinking behind adding the EXPORT_OP_LOCAL_FILE_HANDLE flag
>>> was that when kernfs/cgroups was added exportfs support with commit
>>> aa8188253474 ("kernfs: add exportfs operations"), there was no intention
>>> to export cgroupfs over nfs, only local to uses, but that was never enforced,
>>> so we thought it would be good to add this restriction and backport it to
>>> stable kernels.
>>
>> Can you please explain what the problem with exporting these file
>> systems over NFS is?  Yes, it's not going to be very useful.  But what
>> is actually problematic about it?  Any why is it not problematic with
>> a userland nfs server?  We really need to settle that argumet before
>> deciding a flag name or polarity.
>>
> 
> I agree that it is not the end of the world and users do have to explicitly
> use fsid= argument to be able to export cgroupfs via nfsd.
> 
> The idea for this patch started from the claim that Jeff wrote that cgroups
> is not allowed for nfsd export, but I couldn't find where it is not allowed.
> 
> I have no issue personally with leaving cgroupfs exportable via nfsd
> and changing restricting only SB_NOUSER and SB_KERNMOUNT fs.
> 
> Jeff, Chuck, what is your opinion w.r.t exportability of cgroupfs via nfsd?

We all seem to be hard-pressed to find a usage scenario where exporting
pseudo-filesystems via NFS is valuable. But maybe someone has done it
and has a good reason for it.

The issue is whether such export should be consistently and actively
prevented.

I'm not aware of any specific security issues with it.


-- 
Chuck Lever

  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-09 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-01 13:12 [PATCH 0/4] exportfs: add flag to allow marking export operations as only supporting file handles Christian Brauner
2024-12-01 13:12 ` [PATCH 1/4] exportfs: add flag to indicate local " Christian Brauner
2024-12-01 13:44   ` Amir Goldstein
2024-12-01 23:12   ` Dave Chinner
2024-12-02  9:19     ` Christian Brauner
2024-12-01 13:12 ` [PATCH 2/4] kernfs: restrict to " Christian Brauner
2024-12-01 13:12 ` [PATCH 3/4] ovl: restrict to exportable " Christian Brauner
2024-12-01 13:12 ` [PATCH 4/4] pidfs: restrict to local " Christian Brauner
2024-12-01 13:28 ` [PATCH 0/4] exportfs: add flag to allow marking export operations as only supporting " Jeff Layton
2024-12-01 16:22   ` Chuck Lever III
2024-12-03  9:08     ` Christian Brauner
2024-12-03 14:32       ` Jeff Layton
2024-12-01 13:44 ` Amir Goldstein
2024-12-05  0:38 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-05 10:53   ` Christian Brauner
2024-12-05 11:57   ` Amir Goldstein
2024-12-06 16:03     ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-12-07  8:49       ` Amir Goldstein
2024-12-09  7:49         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-09  8:58           ` Amir Goldstein
2024-12-09  9:16             ` Greg KH
2024-12-09 10:02               ` Amir Goldstein
2024-12-09 13:45               ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-09 13:46             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-09 16:30               ` Amir Goldstein
2024-12-09 16:35                 ` Chuck Lever [this message]
2024-12-09 17:15                   ` Jeff Layton
2024-12-09 17:20                     ` Chuck Lever
2024-12-10 10:13                       ` Christian Brauner
2024-12-10 10:34                         ` Christian Brauner
2024-12-10 11:10                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-12-10 12:44                         ` Jeff Layton

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