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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Simon Peter <simon.peter@gmx.de>
Cc: nfs@lists.sourceforge.net, "Talpey, Thomas" <Thomas.Talpey@netapp.com>
Subject: Re: Delays on "first" access to a NFS mount
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:29:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070307202949.GH26553@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070307194418.97fee0ec.simon.peter@gmx.de>

On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 07:44:18PM +0100, Simon Peter wrote:
> > > just verified that the server indeed spins up all disks before
> > > answering the request. I thus suspect it is somehow checking all
> > > exports whenever any one export is accessed. Is this correct
> > > behaviour?
> > Hm.  If you have the nfs-utils source, you can see there's a loop in
> > 	nfs-utils/utils/mountd/cache.c:nfsd_fh()
> > that stats the root of each export, in two places; the first it looks
> > like you shouldn't hit if you don't have the mountpoint export option
> > set:
> 
> Correct. This one is never hit in my case.
> 
> > The second is to figure out which filesystem the filehandle that you
> > passed in that getattr is for:
> >          if (stat(exp->m_export.e_path, &stb) != 0)
> >                  continue;
> 
> This is where the wait for the respective disk to spin up occurs.

OK, cool, so we understand the problem.

> > Could we cache the stat information in the export and then
> > double-check it if necessary when there's a match?  Or is there some
> > way we could get the kernel to keep that cached for us?
> 
> I could certainly cook up a patch for mountd to cache that information
> on its own.  I don't have too much clue about how the kernel does its
> cacheing, though. If it's useful to do that directly in mountd, I
> could get my hands on it.

There's two caches involved:

	- the filesystem caches attributes so that subsequent stat's of
	  the exported directory can be answered without having to go to
	  disk.  I guess it's not suprising that that wouldn't be cached
	  anymore if you hadn't touched the filesystem in a long time.
	  Though there's one point I'm unclear on: are the directories
	  you're exporting mountpoints?  That's the normal
	  configuration, and in that case I would've thought the inode
	  for that directory would be pinned in memory so the stat
	  wouldn't have to go to disk.  I'm probably missing something.

	- the filehandle->export mapping that this function tells the
	  kernel about is cached by nfsd for a half-hour.  That time is
	  set a little later in nfsd_fh:

	          qword_printint(f, time(0)+30*60);

	  I don't think there would be any harm to just changing that
	  time(0)+30*60 to 0x7FFFFFFF (== never expire)--nfs-utils
	  should be invalidating that cache explicitly whenever it's
	  needed.  Maybe that should be the default.

--b.

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Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-07 10:23 Delays on "first" access to a NFS mount Simon Peter
2007-03-07 12:38 ` Talpey, Thomas
2007-03-07 13:22   ` Simon Peter
2007-03-07 15:06   ` Simon Peter
2007-03-07 15:10     ` Simon Peter
2007-03-07 15:42     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-07 18:44       ` Simon Peter
2007-03-07 20:29         ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2007-03-07 21:46           ` Simon Peter
2007-03-07 22:05             ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-07 23:19               ` Simon Peter
2007-03-07 22:09           ` Neil Brown
2007-03-08 15:49           ` Simon Peter
2007-03-09 13:02           ` Simon Peter
2007-03-09 14:59             ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-07 20:31         ` Talpey, Thomas
2007-03-07 20:50           ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-07 21:07             ` Talpey, Thomas
2007-03-07 21:17               ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-07 21:23                 ` Talpey, Thomas
2007-03-07 21:54                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-07 22:37                     ` Neil Brown
2007-03-07 23:06                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-07 23:39                         ` Neil Brown
2007-03-08  5:14                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-08  5:42                             ` Neil Brown
2007-03-08 13:43                             ` Olaf Kirch
2007-03-08 21:27                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-09 15:02                                 ` Olaf Kirch
2007-03-16 21:47                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-16 21:54                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-16 21:57                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-07 23:24                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-07 23:51                         ` Neil Brown
2007-03-08  4:36                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-08 13:27                     ` Olaf Kirch
2007-03-08 21:46                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-03-07 22:15                   ` Neil Brown
2007-03-07 21:40             ` Simon Peter
2007-03-07 22:17               ` Neil Brown
2007-03-07 22:36                 ` Talpey, Thomas
2007-03-07 22:48                   ` Neil Brown
2007-03-07 22:56                     ` Talpey, Thomas
2007-03-07 22:12             ` Neil Brown
2007-03-07 22:23               ` J. Bruce Fields

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