Re: Questions and problems with NFS4

J.A. Magallón
2010-07-30T00:18:40Z

On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:08:08 -0400, Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com> wrote:

> On 07/27/10 06:46 PM, J.A. Magallón wrote:
> > - AFAIK, with NFS4 the only needed daemons are nfsd and idmapd. And the
> > only accesible port from the outside is 2049, for nfsd.
> > I have tried to strip down my nfs server (-N 2 -N 3 -U),
> > but rpcinfo still gives me:
> >
> > annwn:~# rpcinfo -p localhost
> > program vers proto port service
> > 100000 4 tcp 111 portmapper
> > 100000 3 tcp 111 portmapper
> > 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper
> > 100000 4 udp 111 portmapper
> > 100000 3 udp 111 portmapper
> > 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper
> > 100024 1 udp 48461 status
> > 100024 1 tcp 37515 status
> > 100021 1 udp 38583 nlockmgr
> > 100021 3 udp 38583 nlockmgr
> > 100021 4 udp 38583 nlockmgr
> > 100021 1 tcp 37873 nlockmgr
> > 100021 3 tcp 37873 nlockmgr
> > 100021 4 tcp 37873 nlockmgr
> > 100003 4 tcp 2049 nfs
> > 100005 1 udp 45341 mountd
> > 100005 1 tcp 58639 mountd
> >
> > disabling portampper and mountd is just a matter of initscripts
> > requirements, but how can I disable nlockmgr ? It isn't needed for
> > NFS4, isn't it ? Nor portmapper nor mountd...
>
> Strictly speaking, portmapper is not required for NFSv4 service.
> However, the NFS infrastructure on Linux is still designed for NFSv2 and
> v3. There remains some work needed to make portmapper optional for a
> v4-only server. For now, continue to run it in order to handle kernel
> upcalls.
>
> rpc.mountd is, however, still required on Linux NFSv4 servers. Although
> NFSv4 clients do not contact the server's mountd, the kernel's NFS
> server performs upcalls to rpc.mountd to manage export information. You
> can firewall off the mountd service on the server without affecting
> NFSv4 clients. Recent versions of rpc.mountd accept command line
> options that disable the mountd network service while still handling
> kernel upcalls.
>
> And, as long as lockd is running, you will need to keep rpc.statd
> around. Again, you can firewall this service so that it is not exposed
> on the network, but it must continue to be available to handle kernel
> upcalls. This is something we hope to address eventually as part of the
> lockd work Bruce mentioned.

Err...

First of all, plz correct me if this is in some kind of wiki, web page or
the like, but I have not been able to find it. All this things should be
on a document somewhere, perhaps even in the kernel itself...
These are the things I have found out (thanks to your answers...).
I'm a long time unix admin, not new to NFS, but all this things were not
obvious to me, so perhaps they deserve to be in a document, something like
"NFS 3 to 4 migration for dummy admins":

- Everything just works if you mount shares as nfs4. Even, if you have a
bunch of linux boxen with recent kernel/nfs-utils, probably you are
already doing nfs4... modern mount tries nfs4 first.

- Using nfsroot with fsid=0 is not mandatory, nor bind-mounting everything
under some /export (like many documents say), that only forces you to
use the old way of specifying paths in the server (absolute, not
relative to /export).

- Even if you use nfsroot(fsid=0), and you mount it on the client
at /somepoint, you are not forced to mount everything else under
/somepoint (plz, correct me if I'm wrong).

- You can strip your server for NFS4, but not too much... Old daemons
are still needed locally. For example, you can get rid of NFS2 and
UDP for nfsd (-N 2 -U, -any os still uses NFS2??-), and old
mount protocols (-N 1 -N 2 for mountd)...

- ... but they can be firewalled, use is just local

- portmap/rpcbind is not needed, but still used because nfsd is not
yet proper clean for only-nfs4-behavior.

There are also some things I have not been able to discover, like
using the interesting things of NFS4:

- How do you activate delegations ? Is this an automatic thing, or
do I have to add any option somewhere ?

- How do you use cache ? Many docs talk about fsc option, but man
does not mention it (nfs-utils 1.2.2).
I have tried to use cachefiles module, and cachefilesd, but
when I try to run it, I get:

bran:~/c/cachefilesd-0.10# ./cachefilesd -dddns -f $PWD/cachefilesd.conf
About to bind cache
CacheFiles bind failed: errno 95 (Operation not supported)

In dmesg:
[cachef] ==> cachefiles_get_security_ID({system_u:system_r:cachefiles_kernel_t:s0})
CacheFiles: Security denies permission to nominate security context: error -95

I can not run cachefiles without SELinux or something like that ?

Thanks, perhaps this notes help someone in the future.

TIA

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