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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@samba.org>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Steve French <smfrench@gmail.com>, Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org>,
	utz lehmann <lkml123@s2y4n2c.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Volker.Lendecke@sernet.de, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@medozas.de>,
	linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	samba-technical@lists.samba.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-fsde@jasper.es
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/18] xstat: Add a pair of system calls to make extended  file stats available [ver #6]
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 06:34:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100807063400.6bd1776f@tlielax.poochiereds.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100807133240.02883b83@notabene>

On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 13:32:40 +1000
Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de> wrote:

> So we are left with an attribute that is needed for windows compatibility,
> and so just needs to be understood by samba and wine.  Some filesystems might
> support it efficiently, others might require the use of generic
> extended-attributes, still others might not support it at all (I guess you
> store it in some 'tdb' and hope it works well enough).
> 
> Core-linux doesn't really need to know about this - there just needs to be a
> channel to pass it between samba/wine and the filesystem. xattr still seems
> the best mechanism to pass this stuff around.  Team-samba can negotiate with
> fs developers to optimise/accelerate certain attributes, and linux-VFS
> doesn't need to know or care (except maybe to provide generic non-blocking or
> multiple-access interfaces).
> 

IIUC, you're saying that we should basically just have samba stuff the
current time into an xattr when it creates the file and leave the
filesystems alone. If so, I disagree here.

The problem with treating this as *just* an xattr is that it doesn't
account for files that are created outside of samba but are then shared
out by it.

To handle this correctly, I believe it needs to be initialized by the
kernel to the current time whenever an inode is created, even if samba
doesn't create it. After that, it can be treated as just another xattr.

-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@samba.org>

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-07 10:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-15  2:17 [PATCH 00/18] Extended file stat functions [ver #6] David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 01/18] Mark arguments to certain syscalls as being const " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 02/18] xstat: Add a pair of system calls to make extended file stats available " David Howells
2010-07-15 20:35   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-15 21:53   ` David Howells
2010-07-16  6:22     ` Mark Harris
2010-07-16 10:24     ` David Howells
2010-07-16 11:02       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-16 12:38       ` David Howells
2010-07-16 13:32         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-17  5:51         ` Mark Harris
2010-07-17  9:00           ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]         ` <20100717055130.GA2053-EJgEOVOPJGBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-17  9:49           ` David Howells
2010-07-16 10:46     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-16 15:10     ` David Howells
2010-07-18  8:48   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-22 10:52     ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 12:25     ` David Howells
2010-07-19 14:05   ` David Howells
2010-07-19 15:17   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-19 16:15   ` David Howells
2010-07-19 16:51     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-19 17:26     ` David Howells
2010-07-19 17:46       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-20  8:28         ` Andreas Dilger
2010-07-22 10:35   ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 12:14   ` David Howells
2010-07-22 12:17     ` Volker Lendecke
2010-07-22 13:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 15:14       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-22 15:36         ` Volker Lendecke
2010-07-22 15:47           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-22 16:06             ` Greg Freemyer
2010-07-22 16:07               ` Greg Freemyer
2010-07-22 16:25             ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 16:27             ` Jeremy Allison
2010-07-22 16:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-22 16:58                 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-07-22 18:02                   ` Jeremy Allison
2010-07-22 18:04                     ` Volker Lendecke
2010-07-22 18:07                       ` Jeremy Allison
2010-07-22 18:59                       ` Trond Myklebust
2010-07-30 17:55                         ` Phil Pishioneri
2010-07-30 18:11                           ` Trond Myklebust
2010-07-30 18:19                             ` Phil Pishioneri
2010-07-31 18:41                             ` Andreas Dilger
2010-07-31 18:48                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-31 19:03                               ` Trond Myklebust
2010-07-31 21:20                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-08-01 13:17                             ` Jeff Layton
2010-07-22 18:05                     ` Jan Engelhardt
     [not found]                       ` <alpine.LSU.2.01.1007222004430.4215-SHaQjdQMGhDmsUXKMKRlFA@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-22 18:07                         ` Jeremy Allison
2010-07-22 19:18                     ` John Stoffel
2010-07-22 17:03                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 17:16                   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-07-22 17:36                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 17:24                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-22 18:15                     ` Jeremy Allison
2010-07-22 18:21                     ` Benny Halevy
2010-07-22 18:45                       ` Greg Freemyer
2010-07-22 19:53                         ` Benny Halevy
2010-07-22 18:41                     ` Greg Freemyer
2010-07-28  1:15                     ` Neil Brown
2010-07-28 17:28                     ` David Howells
2010-07-28 23:04                       ` Neil Brown
2010-07-30 18:38                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-01 13:40                         ` Jeff Layton
2010-08-02 14:09                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-08-02 14:42                             ` Jeff Layton
2010-07-29 16:15                       ` David Howells
2010-08-03  1:13                         ` Neil Brown
2010-07-22 17:12                 ` Jim Rees
2010-07-22 17:32                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-23  1:03                 ` tridge
2010-07-23  1:21                   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-23  2:12                     ` tridge
2010-07-23  9:14                     ` Björn Jacke
2010-07-30 21:22                 ` utz lehmann
2010-07-31  8:08                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-31 14:43                     ` utz lehmann
2010-08-01 13:25                   ` Jeff Layton
2010-08-05 23:52                     ` Jeremy Allison
2010-08-06  3:38                       ` Neil Brown
2010-08-06  3:55                         ` Steve French
2010-08-06 11:18                           ` Jeff Layton
2010-08-06 23:30                           ` Neil Brown
2010-08-06 23:58                             ` Steve French
2010-08-07  0:29                               ` Neil Brown
2010-08-07  2:42                                 ` Steve French
2010-08-07  2:54                                   ` Steve French
2010-08-07  3:32                                     ` Neil Brown
2010-08-07 10:34                                       ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2010-08-07 11:04                                         ` Neil Brown
2010-08-08 12:12                         ` Jeremy Allison
2010-08-08 12:53                           ` Jeff Layton
2010-08-08 13:05                             ` Jeremy Allison
2010-08-13 12:54                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-13 17:54                                 ` Jeremy Allison
2010-08-13 18:09                                   ` Steve French
2010-08-13 19:06                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-08-13 19:19                                     ` Jeremy Allison
2010-08-16 18:04                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-16 18:08                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-16 19:07                                     ` Jeremy Allison
2010-08-08 23:07                           ` Neil Brown
     [not found]           ` <AANLkTimwIq0pBhCeOjOVjB0y  <1280603032.3125.24.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>
     [not found]             ` <1280603032.3125.24.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-01 16:18               ` utz lehmann
2010-07-22 15:46         ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 16:06         ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <AANLkTikBCXK6uEw <AANLkTimdFCGSKLn7aGMpBMIauHTsHY7hpAAmpo6uTcnD@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-31 16:53         ` David Howells
2010-07-31 18:05           ` utz lehmann
2010-07-31 19:26           ` David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 03/18] AFS: Use i_generation not i_version for the vnode uniquifier " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 04/18] xstat: AFS: Return extended attributes " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 05/18] xstat: eCryptFS: " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 06/18] xstat: Ext4: " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 07/18] xstat: NFS: " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 08/18] xstat: CIFS: " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 09/18] xstat: Make special system filesystems return FS_SPECIAL_FL " David Howells
2010-07-18  8:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:09   ` David Howells
2010-07-27 13:41   ` David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 10/18] xstat: Make network filesystems return FS_REMOTE_FL " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 11/18] xstat: Make automounter filesystems return FS_AUTOMOUNT_FL " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 12/18] xstat: Add a dentry op to handle automounting rather than abusing follow_link() " David Howells
2010-07-18  8:50   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:10   ` David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 13/18] xstat: AFS: Use d_automount() " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 14/18] xstat: NFS: " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 15/18] xstat: CIFS: " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 16/18] xstat: Remove the automount through follow_link() kludge code from pathwalk " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 17/18] xstat: Add an AT_NO_AUTOMOUNT flag to suppress terminal automount " David Howells
     [not found] ` <20100715021709.5544.64506.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-15  2:17   ` [PATCH 18/18] xstat: Provide a mechanism to gather extra results for [f]xstat() " David Howells
     [not found]     ` <20100715021730.5544.68442.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-18  8:51       ` Christoph Hellwig

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