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From: Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
Cc: Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	utz lehmann <lkml123@s2y4n2c.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Volker.Lendecke@sernet.de, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@medozas.de>,
	linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	samba-technical@lists.samba.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-fsde@jasper.es
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/18] xstat: Add a pair of system calls to make extended  file stats available [ver #6]
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 06:05:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100808130501.GA9851@jeremy-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100808085301.24f53e5a@tlielax.poochiereds.net>

On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 08:53:01AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> 
> It would be more convenient if this were part of stat() but adding a
> new stat call is non-trivial. Even if we did that, it still doesn't
> solve the problem of being able to set the create time. The fact that
> that's rarely done doesn't really matter much -- we ought to shoot for
> the semantics that are needed to handle this properly.

*BSD didn't. They just added something that was useful to UNIX.
I'd be happy with that. We don't need to ape Windows in everything.
The coming ACL disaster will show that (we will go from an ACL
model that is slightly too complex to use, to one that is impossibly
complex to use :-).

> If that's the case, don't you have to query for this EA every time you
> need to return the create time anyway? If so, then doing this really
> isn't any more costly -- you'd just be querying a different EA, right?

No, we'd be querying an additional EA. The EA we query contains
the DOS attribues as well as the create time.

Jeremy.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-08 13:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-15  2:17 [PATCH 00/18] Extended file stat functions [ver #6] David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 01/18] Mark arguments to certain syscalls as being const " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 02/18] xstat: Add a pair of system calls to make extended file stats available " David Howells
2010-07-15 20:35   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-15 21:53   ` David Howells
2010-07-16  6:22     ` Mark Harris
2010-07-16 10:24     ` David Howells
2010-07-16 11:02       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-16 12:38       ` David Howells
2010-07-16 13:32         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-17  5:51         ` Mark Harris
2010-07-17  9:00           ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]         ` <20100717055130.GA2053-EJgEOVOPJGBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-17  9:49           ` David Howells
2010-07-16 10:46     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-16 15:10     ` David Howells
2010-07-18  8:48   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-22 10:52     ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 12:25     ` David Howells
2010-07-19 14:05   ` David Howells
2010-07-19 15:17   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-19 16:15   ` David Howells
2010-07-19 16:51     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-19 17:26     ` David Howells
2010-07-19 17:46       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-20  8:28         ` Andreas Dilger
2010-07-22 10:35   ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 12:14   ` David Howells
2010-07-22 12:17     ` Volker Lendecke
2010-07-22 13:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 15:14       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-22 15:36         ` Volker Lendecke
2010-07-22 15:47           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-22 16:06             ` Greg Freemyer
2010-07-22 16:07               ` Greg Freemyer
2010-07-22 16:25             ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 16:27             ` Jeremy Allison
2010-07-22 16:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-22 16:58                 ` Trond Myklebust
2010-07-22 18:02                   ` Jeremy Allison
2010-07-22 18:04                     ` Volker Lendecke
2010-07-22 18:07                       ` Jeremy Allison
2010-07-22 18:59                       ` Trond Myklebust
2010-07-30 17:55                         ` Phil Pishioneri
2010-07-30 18:11                           ` Trond Myklebust
2010-07-30 18:19                             ` Phil Pishioneri
2010-07-31 18:41                             ` Andreas Dilger
2010-07-31 18:48                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-31 19:03                               ` Trond Myklebust
2010-07-31 21:20                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-08-01 13:17                             ` Jeff Layton
2010-07-22 18:05                     ` Jan Engelhardt
     [not found]                       ` <alpine.LSU.2.01.1007222004430.4215-SHaQjdQMGhDmsUXKMKRlFA@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-22 18:07                         ` Jeremy Allison
2010-07-22 19:18                     ` John Stoffel
2010-07-22 17:03                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 17:16                   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-07-22 17:36                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 17:24                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-22 18:15                     ` Jeremy Allison
2010-07-22 18:21                     ` Benny Halevy
2010-07-22 18:45                       ` Greg Freemyer
2010-07-22 19:53                         ` Benny Halevy
2010-07-22 18:41                     ` Greg Freemyer
2010-07-28  1:15                     ` Neil Brown
2010-07-28 17:28                     ` David Howells
2010-07-28 23:04                       ` Neil Brown
2010-07-30 18:38                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-01 13:40                         ` Jeff Layton
2010-08-02 14:09                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-08-02 14:42                             ` Jeff Layton
2010-07-29 16:15                       ` David Howells
2010-08-03  1:13                         ` Neil Brown
2010-07-22 17:12                 ` Jim Rees
2010-07-22 17:32                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-07-23  1:03                 ` tridge
2010-07-23  1:21                   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-23  2:12                     ` tridge
2010-07-23  9:14                     ` Björn Jacke
2010-07-30 21:22                 ` utz lehmann
2010-07-31  8:08                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-31 14:43                     ` utz lehmann
2010-08-01 13:25                   ` Jeff Layton
2010-08-05 23:52                     ` Jeremy Allison
2010-08-06  3:38                       ` Neil Brown
2010-08-06  3:55                         ` Steve French
2010-08-06 11:18                           ` Jeff Layton
2010-08-06 23:30                           ` Neil Brown
2010-08-06 23:58                             ` Steve French
2010-08-07  0:29                               ` Neil Brown
2010-08-07  2:42                                 ` Steve French
2010-08-07  2:54                                   ` Steve French
2010-08-07  3:32                                     ` Neil Brown
2010-08-07 10:34                                       ` Jeff Layton
2010-08-07 11:04                                         ` Neil Brown
2010-08-08 12:12                         ` Jeremy Allison
2010-08-08 12:53                           ` Jeff Layton
2010-08-08 13:05                             ` Jeremy Allison [this message]
2010-08-13 12:54                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-13 17:54                                 ` Jeremy Allison
2010-08-13 18:09                                   ` Steve French
2010-08-13 19:06                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-08-13 19:19                                     ` Jeremy Allison
2010-08-16 18:04                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-16 18:08                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-16 19:07                                     ` Jeremy Allison
2010-08-08 23:07                           ` Neil Brown
     [not found]           ` <AANLkTimwIq0pBhCeOjOVjB0y  <1280603032.3125.24.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>
     [not found]             ` <1280603032.3125.24.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-01 16:18               ` utz lehmann
2010-07-22 15:46         ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-07-22 16:06         ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <AANLkTikBCXK6uEw <AANLkTimdFCGSKLn7aGMpBMIauHTsHY7hpAAmpo6uTcnD@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-31 16:53         ` David Howells
2010-07-31 18:05           ` utz lehmann
2010-07-31 19:26           ` David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 03/18] AFS: Use i_generation not i_version for the vnode uniquifier " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 04/18] xstat: AFS: Return extended attributes " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 05/18] xstat: eCryptFS: " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 06/18] xstat: Ext4: " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 07/18] xstat: NFS: " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 08/18] xstat: CIFS: " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 09/18] xstat: Make special system filesystems return FS_SPECIAL_FL " David Howells
2010-07-18  8:49   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:09   ` David Howells
2010-07-27 13:41   ` David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 10/18] xstat: Make network filesystems return FS_REMOTE_FL " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 11/18] xstat: Make automounter filesystems return FS_AUTOMOUNT_FL " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 12/18] xstat: Add a dentry op to handle automounting rather than abusing follow_link() " David Howells
2010-07-18  8:50   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-07-19 14:10   ` David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 13/18] xstat: AFS: Use d_automount() " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 14/18] xstat: NFS: " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 15/18] xstat: CIFS: " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 16/18] xstat: Remove the automount through follow_link() kludge code from pathwalk " David Howells
2010-07-15  2:17 ` [PATCH 17/18] xstat: Add an AT_NO_AUTOMOUNT flag to suppress terminal automount " David Howells
     [not found] ` <20100715021709.5544.64506.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-15  2:17   ` [PATCH 18/18] xstat: Provide a mechanism to gather extra results for [f]xstat() " David Howells
     [not found]     ` <20100715021730.5544.68442.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2010-07-18  8:51       ` Christoph Hellwig

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