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From: "George Spelvin" <linux@horizon.com>
To: linux@horizon.com, Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: still nfs problems [Was: Linux 2.6.37-rc8]
Date: 1 Jan 2011 00:44:35 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110101054435.29395.qmail@science.horizon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1293844690.22964.10.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>

>> 1) Look again; it's O(1) work per entry, or O(n) work for an n-entry
>>    directory.  And O(1) space.  With very small constant factors,

> Yes. I was thinking about it this morning (after coffee).

Thank you for the second look.

> One variant on those algorithms that might make sense here is to save
> the current cookie each time we see that the result of a cookie search
> is a filp->f_pos offset < the current filp->f_pos offset. That means we
> will in general only detect the loop after going through an entire
> cycle, but that should be sufficient...

All of these low-overhead algorithms can take a couple of loop iterations
before they detect it; their job is to achieve a reasonably low constant
factor in time using O(1) space.

The worst case for the power-of-two algorithm is when the loop is n = 2^k+1
items long.  When you get to item 2^(k+1), you'll be comparing to item
2^k, which is a mismatch.  Then you'll save the cookie from 2^(k+1)
and have to go to 2^(k+1) + 2^k + 1, or about 3*n, before detecting
it.

I don't consider this a problem, because it wastes a few seconds of
computer time, to be followed by wasting a few hours trying to pass
a bug report upstream about the broken NFS server...

I don't quite follow how your proposed variant works.  Pardon my ignorance
of NFS, but is the f->pos something that comes from the server, or
something that is synthesized locally?  Obviously, if you keep a record
of all the server cookies, you can detect loops quite easily.

If it comes from the server, there's a risk that there might be two
backward jumps in the cycle, and thus you'll never notice it.


  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-01  5:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-31  3:17 still nfs problems [Was: Linux 2.6.37-rc8] George Spelvin
2010-12-31  4:32 ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-01  1:03   ` George Spelvin
2011-01-01  1:18     ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-01  5:44       ` George Spelvin [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-01-05 19:05 James Bottomley
2011-01-05 19:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-01-05 19:36   ` James Bottomley
2011-01-05 19:49     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-01-05 20:35       ` James Bottomley
2011-01-05 20:00     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-05 20:33       ` James Bottomley
2011-01-05 20:48         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-01-05 21:04           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-05 21:08             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-01-05 21:16               ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-05 21:30                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-01-05 23:06                   ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-05 23:28                     ` James Bottomley
2011-01-06 17:40                       ` James Bottomley
2011-01-06 17:47                         ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-06 17:51                           ` James Bottomley
2011-01-06 17:55                           ` Linus Torvalds
2011-01-07 18:53                             ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-07 19:02                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-07 19:11                                 ` James Bottomley
2011-01-08 16:49                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-08 23:15                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-10 10:50                                       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-10 16:25                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-10 17:08                                           ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2011-01-10 17:20                                             ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                               ` <1294680035.3349.19.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2011-01-10 17:26                                                 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2011-01-10 19:25                                               ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-10 19:29                                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-10 19:31                                                   ` James Bottomley
2011-01-10 19:34                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-01-10 20:15                                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-10 12:44                                       ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2011-01-07 19:13                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-07 19:05                               ` James Bottomley
2011-01-06 18:05                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-06 18:14                           ` James Bottomley
2011-01-06 18:25                             ` James Bottomley
2011-01-06 21:07                               ` James Bottomley
2011-01-06 20:19                         ` John Stoffel
2011-01-05 23:28                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-01-05 23:59                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-05 21:16           ` James Bottomley
     [not found] <AANLkTi=-dNeeDjcSoznKtwcaNyw1mMXSqepFY89R2i+2@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <20101230171453.GA5787@pengutronix.de>
2010-12-30 17:59   ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-30 19:18     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-03 21:38       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-04  0:22         ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-05  8:40           ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-05 11:05             ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-05 11:27               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-05 12:14                 ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2011-01-05 13:02                   ` Nori, Sekhar
2011-01-05 15:34                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-05 13:40                 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-05 14:29                   ` Jim Rees
2011-01-05 14:42                     ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2011-01-05 15:38                       ` Jim Rees
2011-01-05 14:53                   ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-05 15:01                     ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2011-01-05 15:14                       ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-05 15:29                         ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-05 15:39                           ` Marc Kleine-Budde
2011-01-05 15:52                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-05 17:17                           ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-05 17:26                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-05 18:12                               ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-05 18:27                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-05 18:55                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-05 19:07                                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-14  2:25                     ` Andy Isaacson
2011-01-14  2:40                       ` Trond Myklebust
2011-01-14  4:22                         ` Andy Isaacson
     [not found]   ` <AANLkTikvZF6Q1k0rETLHUffkUT3grxAh3FoB_0vs96B8@mail.gmail.com>
2010-12-30 18:24     ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-30 18:50       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-12-30 19:25         ` Trond Myklebust
2010-12-30 20:02           ` Linus Torvalds

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