From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
To: Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Small O_SYNC writes are no longer NFS_DATA_SYNC
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:04:17 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110318120417.435551da@notabene.brown> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1300405987.4621.10.camel@lade.trondhjem.org>
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:53:07 -0400 Trond Myklebust
<Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 17:15 +1100, NeilBrown wrote:
> > Hi Trond,
> > I wonder if I might get your help/advice on an issue with NFS.
> >
> > It seems that NFS_DATA_SYNC is hardly used at all currently. It is used for
> > O_DIRECT writes and for writes 'for_reclaim', and for handling some error
> > conditions, but that is about it.
> >
> > This appears to be a regression.
> >
> > Back in 2005, commit ab0a3dbedc5 in 2.6.13 says:
> >
> > [PATCH] NFS: Write optimization for short files and small O_SYNC writes.
> >
> > Use stable writes if we can see that we are only going to put a single
> > write on the wire.
> >
> > which seems like a sensible optimisation, and we have a customer which
> > values it. Very roughly, they have an NFS server which optimises 'unstable'
> > writes for throughput and 'stable' writes for latency - these seems like a
> > reasonable approach.
> > With a 2.6.16 kernel an application which generates many small sync writes
> > gets adequate performance. In 2.6.32 they see unstable writes followed by
> > commits, which cannot be (or at least aren't) optimised as well.
> >
> > It seems this was changed by commit c63c7b0513953
> >
> > NFS: Fix a race when doing NFS write coalescing
> >
> > in 2.6.22.
> >
> > Is it possible/easy/desirable to get this behaviour back. i.e. to use
> > NFS_DATA_SYNC at least on sub-page writes triggered by a write to an
> > O_SYNC file.
> >
> > My (possibly naive) attempt is as follows. It appears to work as I expect
> > (though it still uses SYNC for 1-page writes) but I'm not confident that it
> > is "right".
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > NeilBrown
> >
> > diff --git a/fs/nfs/write.c b/fs/nfs/write.c
> > index 10d648e..392bfa8 100644
> > --- a/fs/nfs/write.c
> > +++ b/fs/nfs/write.c
> > @@ -178,6 +178,9 @@ static int wb_priority(struct writeback_control *wbc)
> > return FLUSH_HIGHPRI | FLUSH_STABLE;
> > if (wbc->for_kupdate || wbc->for_background)
> > return FLUSH_LOWPRI;
> > + if (wbc->sync_mode == WB_SYNC_ALL &&
> > + (wbc->range_end - wbc->range_start) < PAGE_SIZE)
> > + return FLUSH_STABLE;
> > return 0;
> > }
>
> Would it ever be wrong to set the FILE_SYNC flag for the very last rpc
> call in a writeback series? I'm thinking that we might want to set
> FLUSH_STABLE before the call to pageio_complete in
> nfs_writepage_locked() and nfs_writepages().
Interesting idea.
Am I correct in assuming you only mean if wbc->sync_mode == WB_SYNC_ALL.
It wouldn't seem to make any sense for WB_SYNC_NONE.
In that case that last RPC would be immediately followed by a COMMIT. So it
could be reasonable to make it NFS_DATA_SYNC.
However the server would be seeing something a bit odd - a sequence of
unstable writes, then a stable write, then a commit. This could cause it to
'sync' things in the 'wrong' order which might be less than optimal. It
would depend a lot on the particular server and filesystem of course, but it
seems to be mis-communicating. So I think I would avoid this approach
(assuming I understand it correctly).
>
> The only thing that makes me uncomfortable with that idea is the
> possible repercussions for pNFS.
>
Cannot comment there - I don't have a deep enough understanding of the issues
with pNFS.
Thanks,
NeilBrown
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-03-18 1:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-02-16 6:15 Small O_SYNC writes are no longer NFS_DATA_SYNC NeilBrown
2011-02-16 13:11 ` Jeff Layton
2011-02-16 20:26 ` NeilBrown
2011-02-16 20:50 ` Jeff Layton
2011-02-16 21:00 ` NeilBrown
2011-03-17 23:53 ` Trond Myklebust
2011-03-18 1:04 ` NeilBrown [this message]
2011-03-18 1:49 ` Trond Myklebust
2011-03-18 2:12 ` NeilBrown
2011-03-18 2:25 ` Trond Myklebust
2011-03-18 3:52 ` NeilBrown
2011-03-21 21:02 ` Trond Myklebust
2011-03-21 22:17 ` NeilBrown
2011-03-21 22:54 ` Trond Myklebust
2011-03-21 23:47 ` NeilBrown
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