From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>, NFS <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch/rfc] allow exported (and *not* exported) filesystems to be unmounted.
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 16:04:11 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130708200411.GH29071@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130708173003.131cd901@notabene.brown>
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 05:30:03PM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 11:50:59 -0400 "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 08:24:13AM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> > > On Mon, 1 Jul 2013 15:12:38 -0400 "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 10:05:12AM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 09:36:58 -0400 "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 04:19:34PM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 04:41:15 +0100 Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 01:05:41PM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Bruce,
> > > > > > > > > this is a little issue that seems to keep coming up so I thought it might be
> > > > > > > > > time to fix it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As you know, a filesystem that is exported cannot be unmounted as the export
> > > > > > > > > cache holds a reference to it. Though if it hasn't been accessed for a
> > > > > > > > > while then it can.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As I hadn't realised before sometimes *non* exported filesystems can be
> > > > > > > > > pinned to. A negative entry in the cache can pin a filesystem just as
> > > > > > > > > easily as a positive entry.
> > > > > > > > > An amusing, if somewhat contrived, example is that if you export '/' with
> > > > > > > > > crossmnt and:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > mount localhost:/ /mnt
> > > > > > > > > ls -l /
> > > > > > > > > umount /mnt
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > the umount might fail. This is because the "ls -l" tried to export every
> > > > > > > > > filesystem found mounted in '/'. The export of "/mnt" failed of course
> > > > > > > > > because you cannot re-export an NFS filesystem. But it is still in the
> > > > > > > > > cache.
> > > > > > > > > An 'exportfs -f' fixes this, but shouldn't be necessary.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, ugh. As a less contrived example, can the default v4 root export
> > > > > > lead to arbitrary filesystems being pinned just because a client tried
> > > > > > to mount the wrong path?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think it can only pin filesystems that are exported, either explicitly or
> > > > > via a parent being exported with 'crossmnt'.
> > > >
> > > > But see utils/mountd/v4root.c, and:
> > > >
> > > > [root@server ~]# exportfs -v
> > > > /export <world>(rw,...)
> > > > [root@server ~]# mount /mnt
> > > >
> > > > [root@pip4 ~]# mount pip4:/ /mnt/
> > > > [root@pip4 ~]# ls -l /mnt/
> > > > total 4
> > > > drwxrwxrwt 3 root root 4096 Jun 7 10:34 export
> > > > [root@pip4 ~]#
> > > >
> > > > [root@server ~]# umount /mnt/
> > > > umount: /mnt: target is busy.
> > > > ...
> > > > [root@server ~]# grep /mnt /proc/net/rpc/nfsd.export/content
> > > > # /mnt *()
> > >
> > > You make a good point. I didn't think that would happen, and I think I could
> > > argue that it is a bug.
> >
> > Definitely looks like a bug to me.
> >
> > > I have no idea how easy it would be to "fix" without
> > > pouring over the code for a while though. Or whether it is worth "fixing".
> >
> > As long as clients are mostly just LOOKUPing down to the export they
> > care about people may not hit this too much, but no doubt somebody will
> > hit this eventually.
> >
> > > > > > Could the export cache be indexed on a path string instead of a struct
> > > > > > path?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes. It would mean lots of extra pathname lookups and possibly lots of
> > > > > "d_path()" calls.
> > > >
> > > > Right. Ugh. Still, struct path seems wrong as it's not something gssd
> > > > knows about, and there's not really a 1-1 mapping between the two (see
> > > > e.g. the recent complaint about the case where the struct path
> > > > represents a lazy-unmounted export
> > > > http://mid.gmane.org/<20130625191008.GA20277@us.ibm.com> ).
> > >
> > > I noticed that but haven't really followed it (though I just checked and
> > > there isn't much to follow...)
> > >
> > > What do we *want* to happen in this case? I would argue that when the
> > > filesystem is detached the export should immediately become invalid.
> > >
> > > We could possibly put a check in exp_find_key() to see if ek->ek_path
> > > was still attached (not sure how to do that) and if it is: invalidate the ek
> > > before calling cache_check(). If the "is path detach" test is cheap, we
> > > should probably do this.
> > >
> > > Or - we could flush relevant entries from the cache whenever there is a
> > > change in the mount table. That is certainly the preferred option if the "is
> > > path detached" test is at all expensive. But it seems it isn't completely
> > > clear how that flushing should be triggered...
> >
> > There are probably other ways to get this kind of hang too: mounting
> > over an export? mount --move?
>
> I could argue that "mount --move" should trigger a flush just like umount
> does. Mounting over an export (or mounting over a parent of an export) is
> not so easy.
>
> The core problem which causes the hang is that the path requested by
> svc_export_request cannot be used to refer to the exp->ex_path.
> This is something that svc_export_request could check.
> e.g. after "d_path", it could "kern_path(pth, 0, &old_path);" and if that
> fails or old_path doesn't match ex_path, then somehow invalidate the cache
> entry.... though that is a bit awkward. We really want to catch the problem
> at exp_find_key time. Doing it there would be more of a performance burden.
>
> Can d_path tell us that the path isn't reachable?
> I think __d_path can, but that isn't exported (yet). Using that could avoid
> the "kern_path()" call.
>
> So I'm thinking:
>
> - in svc_export_request() use __d_path (which needs to be exported)
> - if that fails, set a new CACHE_STALE flag on the cache_head
> - cache_read notices CACHE_STALE and calls cache_fresh_unlocked() (I think)
> to remove it from the queue.
There's still a race if the problem is detected after mountd reads the
upcall but before it replies, right?
> - cache_is_valid treats CACHE_STALE like CACHE_NEGATIVE only -ESTALE is
> returned
> - if exp_find() gets -ESTALE from exp_get_by_name, it sets CACHE_STALE on
> 'ek'.
>
> It gets a bit complicated doesn't it?
>
> An alternative is that if rpc.mountd gets a request for a path that doesn't
> exist, or that when it responds to a request, the request remains in the
> channel, then it simply flushes everything.
>
> This is a bit heavy handed, but it is a rare occurrence so maybe that doesn't
> matter.
That sounds to me like possibly a good enough solution.
--b.
> It doesn't solve my desire for umount of exported filesystems to "just work"
> though.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-07-08 20:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-06-05 3:05 [patch/rfc] allow exported (and *not* exported) filesystems to be unmounted NeilBrown
2013-06-05 3:41 ` Al Viro
2013-06-05 6:19 ` NeilBrown
2013-06-05 13:36 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-06-06 0:05 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-01 19:12 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-07-01 22:24 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-02 15:50 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-07-08 7:30 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-08 20:04 ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
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