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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Zach Brown <zab@redhat.com>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	"Myklebust, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Anna Schumaker <schumaker.anna@gmail.com>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux-Fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Schumaker, Bryan" <Bryan.Schumaker@netapp.com>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <mkp@mkp.net>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Mark Fasheh <mfasheh@suse.com>, Joel Becker <jlbec@evilplan.org>,
	Eric Wong <normalperson@yhbt.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC] extending splice for copy offloading
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 14:58:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131002125837.GA32181@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131001195817.GE10831@lenny.home.zabbo.net>

On Tue 01-10-13 12:58:17, Zach Brown wrote:
> > - app calls splice(from, 0, to, 0, SIZE_MAX)
> >  1) VFS calls ->direct_splice(from, 0,  to, 0, SIZE_MAX)
> >     1.a) fs reflinks the whole file in a jiffy and returns the size of the file
> >     1 b) fs does copy offload of, say, 64MB and returns 64M
> >  2) VFS does page copy of, say, 1MB and returns 1MB
> > - app calls splice(from, X, to, X, SIZE_MAX) where X is the new offset
> 
> (It's not SIZE_MAX.  It's MAX_RW_COUNT.  INT_MAX with some
> PAGE_CACHE_SIZE rounding noise.  For fear of weird corners of fs code
> paths that still use int, one assumes.)
> 
> > The point is: the app is always doing the same (incrementing offset
> > with the return value from splice) and the kernel can decide what is
> > the best size it can service within a single uninterruptible syscall.
> > 
> > Wouldn't that work?
> 
> It seems like it should, if people are willing to allow splice() to
> return partial counts.  Quite a lot of IO syscalls technically do return
> partial counts today if you try to write > MAX_RW_COUNT :).
  Yes. Also POSIX says that application must handle such case for read &
write. But in practice programmers are lazy.

> But returning partial counts on the order of a handful of megs that the
> file systems make up as the point of diminishing returns is another
> thing entirely.  I can imagine people being anxious about that.
> 
> I guess we'll find out! 
  Return 4 KB once in a while to screw up buggy applications from the
start :-p

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-02 12:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-11 17:06 [RFC] extending splice for copy offloading Zach Brown
2013-09-11 17:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] splice: add DIRECT flag for splicing between files Zach Brown
2013-09-11 17:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] splice: add f_op->splice_direct Zach Brown
2013-09-11 17:06 ` [PATCH 3/3] btrfs: implement .splice_direct extent copying Zach Brown
2013-09-11 21:17 ` [RFC] extending splice for copy offloading Eric Wong
2013-09-16 19:44   ` Rob Landley
2013-09-19 12:59   ` Jeff Layton
2013-09-20  9:49 ` Szeredi Miklos
2013-09-25 18:38   ` Zach Brown
2013-09-25 19:02     ` Anna Schumaker
2013-09-25 19:06       ` Zach Brown
2013-09-25 19:55         ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-09-25 21:07           ` Zach Brown
2013-09-26  8:58             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-26 15:34               ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-09-26 16:46                 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-26 18:06                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-26 19:06                   ` Zach Brown
2013-09-26 19:53                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-26 21:23                       ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-27  4:47                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-27 14:00                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-27 14:39                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-10-06  8:42                   ` Rob Landley
2013-09-26 18:55               ` Zach Brown
2013-09-26 21:26                 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-27 20:05                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-09-27 20:50                     ` Zach Brown
2013-09-28  5:49                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-28 15:20                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-28 21:20                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 12:20                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:34                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-09-30 14:48                                 ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 14:51                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:52                                   ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 15:24                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:28                                       ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 15:33                                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-30 15:38                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:41                                           ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 15:46                                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 14:49                                               ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 15:57                                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 16:31                                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2013-09-30 17:17                                                     ` Bernd Schubert
2013-09-30 17:44                                                       ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-30 17:48                                                         ` Bernd Schubert
2013-09-30 18:02                                                           ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-30 18:49                                                             ` Bernd Schubert
2013-09-30 19:34                                                               ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-30 20:00                                                                 ` Bernd Schubert
2013-09-30 20:08                                                                   ` Ric Wheeler
2013-09-30 20:27                                                                     ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-09-30 20:10                                                                   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-10-01 18:42                                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-10-01 19:58                                       ` Zach Brown
2013-10-02 12:58                                         ` Jan Kara [this message]
2013-10-02 13:31                                           ` David Lang
2013-12-18 12:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2013-12-18 17:10   ` Zach Brown
2013-12-18 17:26     ` Anna Schumaker

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