NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation

NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation

[McEvoy, James]

Is there a working NFSv4.1 reference implementation available and are there any instructs on how to build/install it? 

  --jim

Re: NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation

[J. Bruce Fields]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 07:18:03PM +0000, McEvoy, James wrote:
> Is there a working NFSv4.1 reference implementation available and are there any instructs on how to build/install it? 

I don't recall seeing any, no.

(Most NFSv4.0 ACL implementations should still be perfectly compliant
with the NFSv4.1 spec too as far as I know.  But I don't know of any
implementations of the ACL features that are new to RFC 5661.  Is there
any particular feature that you're interested in?)

--b.

RE: NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation

[McEvoy, James]

We are implementing NFSv4.1 ACLs in the filesystem mostly to support 
SMB/CIFS but I am seeing some strange behavior with ACL group 
inheritance on children/grand-children using the nfs4_setfacl and 
nfs4_getfacl on the parent directory.  The problems are mostly with 
inheritance on the @OWNER and @GROUP ACEs... 

What I am looking for is a reference that I can use to validate ACL 
inheritance behavior. Is there a distro that has a filesystem which supports 
NFSv4 ACLs?  Or ideally an rpm that I could install on a CentOS6 VM.
I have tried using the richacl mount option on OpenSUSE 13.1 but the 
nfs4_getfacl command returns: 
"Operation to request attribute not supported." 
The fstab entry to mount the filesystem is:
/dev/disk/by-id/scsi-0QEMU_QEMU_HARDDISK_drive-scsi0-0-0-0-part3 \
	/home	ext4	acl,richacl,user_xattr 1 2

Do you have any recommendations as to what and how I can install 
a filesystem that supports nfsv4 ACLs?

  --jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-nfs-
> owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of J. Bruce Fields
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:09 PM
> To: McEvoy, James
> Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation
> 
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 07:18:03PM +0000, McEvoy, James wrote:
> > Is there a working NFSv4.1 reference implementation available and are there
> any instructs on how to build/install it?
> 
> I don't recall seeing any, no.
> 
> (Most NFSv4.0 ACL implementations should still be perfectly compliant with the
> NFSv4.1 spec too as far as I know.  But I don't know of any implementations of
> the ACL features that are new to RFC 5661.  Is there any particular feature that
> you're interested in?)
> 
> --b.
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Re: NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation

[J. Bruce Fields]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 05:08:25PM +0000, McEvoy, James wrote:
> We are implementing NFSv4.1 ACLs in the filesystem mostly to support 
> SMB/CIFS but I am seeing some strange behavior with ACL group 
> inheritance on children/grand-children using the nfs4_setfacl and 
> nfs4_getfacl on the parent directory.  The problems are mostly with 
> inheritance on the @OWNER and @GROUP ACEs... 

The usual problem is that the umask is applied.

> What I am looking for is a reference that I can use to validate ACL 
> inheritance behavior. Is there a distro that has a filesystem which supports 
> NFSv4 ACLs?  Or ideally an rpm that I could install on a CentOS6 VM.
> I have tried using the richacl mount option on OpenSUSE 13.1 but the 
> nfs4_getfacl command returns: 
> "Operation to request attribute not supported." 
> The fstab entry to mount the filesystem is:
> /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-0QEMU_QEMU_HARDDISK_drive-scsi0-0-0-0-part3 \
> 	/home	ext4	acl,richacl,user_xattr 1 2
> 
> Do you have any recommendations as to what and how I can install 
> a filesystem that supports nfsv4 ACLs?

No, they all just do "posix" acls and nfsd tries to translate.

But the umask issue is somewhat of a separate issue.

--b.

> 
>   --jim
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-nfs-
> > owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of J. Bruce Fields
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:09 PM
> > To: McEvoy, James
> > Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> > Subject: Re: NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation
> > 
> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 07:18:03PM +0000, McEvoy, James wrote:
> > > Is there a working NFSv4.1 reference implementation available and are there
> > any instructs on how to build/install it?
> > 
> > I don't recall seeing any, no.
> > 
> > (Most NFSv4.0 ACL implementations should still be perfectly compliant with the
> > NFSv4.1 spec too as far as I know.  But I don't know of any implementations of
> > the ACL features that are new to RFC 5661.  Is there any particular feature that
> > you're interested in?)
> > 
> > --b.
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RE: NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation

[McEvoy, James]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-nfs-
> owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of J. Bruce Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:06 AM
> To: McEvoy, James
> Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation
> 
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 05:08:25PM +0000, McEvoy, James wrote:
> > We are implementing NFSv4.1 ACLs in the filesystem mostly to support
> > SMB/CIFS but I am seeing some strange behavior with ACL group
> > inheritance on children/grand-children using the nfs4_setfacl and
> > nfs4_getfacl on the parent directory.  The problems are mostly with
> > inheritance on the @OWNER and @GROUP ACEs...
> 
> The usual problem is that the umask is applied.

Where can I find the proper behavior between umask and inheritance? 

> 
> > What I am looking for is a reference that I can use to validate ACL
> > inheritance behavior. Is there a distro that has a filesystem which
> > supports
> > NFSv4 ACLs?  Or ideally an rpm that I could install on a CentOS6 VM.
> > I have tried using the richacl mount option on OpenSUSE 13.1 but the
> > nfs4_getfacl command returns:
> > "Operation to request attribute not supported."
> > The fstab entry to mount the filesystem is:
> > /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-0QEMU_QEMU_HARDDISK_drive-scsi0-0-0-0-part3 \
> > 	/home	ext4	acl,richacl,user_xattr 1 2
> >
> > Do you have any recommendations as to what and how I can install a
> > filesystem that supports nfsv4 ACLs?
> 
> No, they all just do "posix" acls and nfsd tries to translate.
> 
> But the umask issue is somewhat of a separate issue.
> 
> --b.
> 
> >
> >   --jim
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-nfs-
> > > owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of J. Bruce Fields
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:09 PM
> > > To: McEvoy, James
> > > Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> > > Subject: Re: NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 07:18:03PM +0000, McEvoy, James wrote:
> > > > Is there a working NFSv4.1 reference implementation available and
> > > > are there
> > > any instructs on how to build/install it?
> > >
> > > I don't recall seeing any, no.
> > >
> > > (Most NFSv4.0 ACL implementations should still be perfectly
> > > compliant with the
> > > NFSv4.1 spec too as far as I know.  But I don't know of any
> > > implementations of the ACL features that are new to RFC 5661.  Is
> > > there any particular feature that you're interested in?)
> > >
> > > --b.
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Re: NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation

[J. Bruce Fields]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 06:15:37PM +0000, McEvoy, James wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-nfs-
> > owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of J. Bruce Fields
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:06 AM
> > To: McEvoy, James
> > Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> > Subject: Re: NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation
> > 
> > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 05:08:25PM +0000, McEvoy, James wrote:
> > > We are implementing NFSv4.1 ACLs in the filesystem mostly to support
> > > SMB/CIFS but I am seeing some strange behavior with ACL group
> > > inheritance on children/grand-children using the nfs4_setfacl and
> > > nfs4_getfacl on the parent directory.  The problems are mostly with
> > > inheritance on the @OWNER and @GROUP ACEs...
> > 
> > The usual problem is that the umask is applied.
> 
> Where can I find the proper behavior between umask and inheritance? 

For "posix" ACLs on local linux filesystems, the umask is just ignored
in the case where we're creating a new file in a directory with
default (inheritable) ACLs.

In the v4 case that doesn't happen.  I think this probably a bug that
needs to be fixed, but I'm not sure how.

--b.

> > > What I am looking for is a reference that I can use to validate ACL
> > > inheritance behavior. Is there a distro that has a filesystem which
> > > supports
> > > NFSv4 ACLs?  Or ideally an rpm that I could install on a CentOS6 VM.
> > > I have tried using the richacl mount option on OpenSUSE 13.1 but the
> > > nfs4_getfacl command returns:
> > > "Operation to request attribute not supported."
> > > The fstab entry to mount the filesystem is:
> > > /dev/disk/by-id/scsi-0QEMU_QEMU_HARDDISK_drive-scsi0-0-0-0-part3 \
> > > 	/home	ext4	acl,richacl,user_xattr 1 2
> > >
> > > Do you have any recommendations as to what and how I can install a
> > > filesystem that supports nfsv4 ACLs?
> > 
> > No, they all just do "posix" acls and nfsd tries to translate.
> > 
> > But the umask issue is somewhat of a separate issue.
> > 
> > --b.
> > 
> > >
> > >   --jim
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-nfs-
> > > > owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of J. Bruce Fields
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:09 PM
> > > > To: McEvoy, James
> > > > Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
> > > > Subject: Re: NFSv4.1 ACL reference implementation
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 07:18:03PM +0000, McEvoy, James wrote:
> > > > > Is there a working NFSv4.1 reference implementation available and
> > > > > are there
> > > > any instructs on how to build/install it?
> > > >
> > > > I don't recall seeing any, no.
> > > >
> > > > (Most NFSv4.0 ACL implementations should still be perfectly
> > > > compliant with the
> > > > NFSv4.1 spec too as far as I know.  But I don't know of any
> > > > implementations of the ACL features that are new to RFC 5661.  Is
> > > > there any particular feature that you're interested in?)
> > > >
> > > > --b.
> > > > --
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