From: Jeff Layton <jeff.layton@primarydata.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jeff.layton@primarydata.com>,
Trond Myklebust <trondmy@gmail.com>,
Chris Worley <chris.worley@primarydata.com>,
linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, Ben Myers <bpm@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] sunrpc: convert to lockless lookup of queued server threads
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:54:29 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141208145429.56234bf2@tlielax.poochiereds.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141208185730.GB16612@fieldses.org>
On Mon, 8 Dec 2014 13:57:31 -0500
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 11:50:24AM -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 07:14:22AM -0500, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 06:57:50 -0500
> > > Jeff Layton <jeff.layton@primarydata.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 1 Dec 2014 19:38:19 -0500
> > > > Trond Myklebust <trondmy@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:47 PM, J. Bruce Fields <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:
> > > > > > I find it hard to think about how we expect this to affect performance.
> > > > > > So it comes down to the observed results, I guess, but just trying to
> > > > > > get an idea:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - this eliminates sp_lock. I think the original idea here was
> > > > > > that if interrupts could be routed correctly then there
> > > > > > shouldn't normally be cross-cpu contention on this lock. Do
> > > > > > we understand why that didn't pan out? Is hardware capable of
> > > > > > doing this really rare, or is it just too hard to configure it
> > > > > > correctly?
> > > > >
> > > > > One problem is that a 1MB incoming write will generate a lot of
> > > > > interrupts. While that is not so noticeable on a 1GigE network, it is
> > > > > on a 40GigE network. The other thing you should note is that this
> > > > > workload was generated with ~100 clients pounding on that server, so
> > > > > there are a fair amount of TCP connections to service in parallel.
> > > > > Playing with the interrupt routing doesn't necessarily help you so
> > > > > much when all those connections are hot.
> > > > >
> > >
> > > In principle though, the percpu pool_mode should have alleviated the
> > > contention on the sp_lock. When an interrupt comes in, the xprt gets
> > > queued to its pool. If there is a pool for each cpu then there should
> > > be no sp_lock contention. The pernode pool mode might also have
> > > alleviated the lock contention to a lesser degree in a NUMA
> > > configuration.
> > >
> > > Do we understand why that didn't help?
> >
> > Yes, the lots-of-interrupts-per-rpc problem strikes me as a separate if
> > not entirely orthogonal problem.
> >
> > (And I thought it should be addressable separately; Trond and I talked
> > about this in Westford. I think it currently wakes a thread to handle
> > each individual tcp segment--but shouldn't it be able to do all the data
> > copying in the interrupt and wait to wake up a thread until it's got the
> > entire rpc?)
>
> By the way, Jeff, isn't this part of what's complicating the workqueue
> change? That would seem simpler if we didn't need to queue work until
> we had the full rpc.
>
No, I don't think that really adds much in the way of complexity there.
I have that set working. Most of what's holding me up from posting the
next iteration of that set is performance. So far, my testing shows
that the workqueue-based code is slightly slower. I've been trying to
figure out why that is and whether I can do anything about it. Maybe
I'll go ahead and post it as a second RFC set, until I can get to the
bottom of the perf delta.
I have pondered doing what you're suggesting above though and it's not a
trivial change.
The problem is that all of the buffers into which we do receives are
associated with the svc_rqst (which we don't really have when the
interrupt comes in), and not the svc_xprt (which we do have at that
point).
So, you'd need to restructure the code to hang a receive buffer off
of the svc_xprt. Once you receive an entire RPC, you'd then have to
flip that buffer over to a svc_rqst, queue up the job and grab a new
buffer for the xprt (maybe you could swap them?).
The problem is what to do if you don't have a buffer (or svc_rqst)
available when an IRQ comes in. You can't allocate one from softirq
context, so you'd need to offload that case to a workqueue or something
anyway (which adds a bit of complexity as you'd then have to deal with
two different receive paths).
I'm also not sure about RDMA. When you get an RPC, the server usually
has to do an RDMA READ from the client to pull all of the data in. I
don't think you want to do that from softirq context, so that would
also need to be queued up somehow.
All of that said, it would probably reduce some context switching if
we can make that work. Also, I suspect that doing that in the context
of the workqueue-based code would probably be at least a little simpler.
--
Jeff Layton <jlayton@primarydata.com>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-12-08 19:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-11-21 19:19 [PATCH 0/4] sunrpc: reduce pool->sp_lock contention when queueing a xprt for servicing Jeff Layton
2014-11-21 19:19 ` [PATCH 1/4] sunrpc: add a rcu_head to svc_rqst and use kfree_rcu to free it Jeff Layton
2014-12-01 22:44 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-12-01 23:05 ` Jeff Layton
2014-12-01 23:36 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-12-02 0:29 ` Jeff Layton
2014-12-02 0:52 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-12-09 17:05 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-11-21 19:19 ` [PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: fix potential races in pool_stats collection Jeff Layton
2014-11-21 19:19 ` [PATCH 3/4] sunrpc: convert to lockless lookup of queued server threads Jeff Layton
2014-12-01 23:47 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-12-02 0:38 ` Trond Myklebust
2014-12-02 11:57 ` Jeff Layton
2014-12-02 12:14 ` Jeff Layton
2014-12-02 16:50 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-12-02 18:53 ` Ben Myers
2014-12-09 17:04 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-12-08 18:57 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-12-08 19:54 ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2014-12-08 19:58 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-12-08 20:24 ` Jeff Layton
2014-12-09 16:57 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-11-21 19:19 ` [PATCH 4/4] sunrpc: add some tracepoints around enqueue and dequeue of svc_xprt Jeff Layton
2014-12-02 13:31 ` Jeff Layton
2014-12-09 16:36 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-11-25 21:25 ` [PATCH 0/4] sunrpc: reduce pool->sp_lock contention when queueing a xprt for servicing Jeff Layton
2014-11-26 0:09 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-11-26 0:38 ` Jeff Layton
2014-11-26 2:40 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-11-26 11:12 ` Jeff Layton
2014-12-09 16:44 ` J. Bruce Fields
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