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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Tom Talpey <tom@talpey.com>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	trond.myklebust@primarydata.com, schumaker.anna@gmail.com,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] sunrpc: flag transports as using IETF approved congestion control protocols
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 15:11:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170223201109.GC11882@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <65056db6-f30a-c44d-b01c-b549887c4895@talpey.com>

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 03:06:25PM -0500, Tom Talpey wrote:
> On 2/23/2017 3:00 PM, Jeff Layton wrote:
> >On Thu, 2017-02-23 at 14:42 -0500, Tom Talpey wrote:
> >>On 2/23/2017 12:03 PM, Jeff Layton wrote:
> >>>Signed-off-by: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
> >>>---
> >>> include/linux/sunrpc/svc_xprt.h          | 1 +
> >>> net/sunrpc/svcsock.c                     | 1 +
> >>> net/sunrpc/xprtrdma/svc_rdma_transport.c | 2 ++
> >>
> >>There's a possibly-important detail here. Not all RDMA transports have
> >>"IETF-approved congestion control", for example, RoCEv1. However, iWARP
> >>and (arguably) RoCEv2 do. On the other hand, as a nonroutable protocol,
> >>RoCEv1 may not fall under this restriction.
> >>
> >>Net-net, inspecting only the RDMA attribute of the transport may be
> >>insufficient here.
> >>
> >>It could be argued however that the xprtrdma layer, with its rpcrdma
> >>crediting, provides such congestion. But that needs to be made
> >>explicit, and perhaps, discussed in IETF. Initially, I think it would
> >>be important to flag this as a point for the future. For now, it may
> >>be best to flag RoCEv1 as not supporting congestion.
> >>
> >>Tom.
> >>
> >
> >(cc'ing Chuck and the linux-rdma list)
> >
> >Thanks Tom, that's very interesting.
> >
> >Not being well versed in the xprtrdma layer, what condition should we
> >use here to set the flag? git grep shows that the string "ROCEV1" only
> >shows up in the bxnt_en driver. Is there some way to determine this
> >generically for any given RDMA driver?
> 
> I would not code RoCEv1 as an exception, I would code iWARP and RoCEv2
> as the only eligible ones. There are any number of other possibilities,
> none of which should be automatically flagged as congestion-controlled.
> 
> I'm also not sure I'm comfortable with hardcoding such a list into RPC.
> But it may be the best you can do for now. Chuck, are you aware of a
> verbs interface to obtain the RDMA transport type?

If this gets too complicated--we've been allowing NFSv4/UDP for years,
letting this one (arguable?) exception through in RDMA a little longer
won't kill us.

(And if we really shouldn't be doing NFSv4 over some RDMA transports--is
it worth supporting them at all, if the only support we can get is
NFSv3-only?)

--b.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-23 20:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-23 17:03 [PATCH 0/4] nfs/nfsd/sunrpc: enforce requirement for congestion control protocols in NFSv4 Jeff Layton
2017-02-23 17:03 ` [PATCH 1/4] sunrpc: flag transports as using IETF approved congestion control protocols Jeff Layton
2017-02-23 19:42   ` Tom Talpey
2017-02-23 20:00     ` Jeff Layton
2017-02-23 20:06       ` Tom Talpey
2017-02-23 20:11         ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2017-02-23 20:26           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-23 20:33             ` Tom Talpey
2017-02-23 20:55               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-24 15:08                 ` Tom Talpey
2017-02-24 17:17                   ` Jeff Layton
2017-02-24 18:03                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-02-23 20:32           ` Jeff Layton
2017-02-23 20:17         ` Chuck Lever
2017-02-23 20:15     ` Chuck Lever
2017-02-23 17:03 ` [PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: turn bitfield flags in svc_version into bools Jeff Layton
2017-02-23 17:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] nfs/nfsd/sunrpc: enforce congestion control protocol requirement for NFSv4 Jeff Layton
2017-02-23 17:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] sunrpc: don't register UDP port with rpcbind when version needs congestion control Jeff Layton
2017-02-23 17:17 ` [PATCH 0/4] nfs/nfsd/sunrpc: enforce requirement for congestion control protocols in NFSv4 Jeff Layton
2017-02-24 18:25 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] nfs/nfsd/sunrpc: enforce NFSv4 transport requirements Jeff Layton
2017-02-24 18:25   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] sunrpc: turn bitfield flags in svc_version into bools Jeff Layton
2017-02-24 18:25   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] sunrpc: flag transports as having both reliable and ordered delivery, and congestion control Jeff Layton
2017-02-24 18:25   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] nfs/nfsd/sunrpc: enforce transport requirements for NFSv4 Jeff Layton
2017-02-24 18:25   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] sunrpc: don't register UDP port with rpcbind when version needs congestion control Jeff Layton
2017-02-24 18:38   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] nfs/nfsd/sunrpc: enforce NFSv4 transport requirements Chuck Lever
2017-02-24 18:53     ` Jeff Layton
2017-02-24 21:23       ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-02-24 18:53   ` Tom Talpey
2017-02-24 21:22     ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-02-24 21:25   ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-02-24 21:34     ` Jeff Layton
2017-02-24 21:44       ` J. Bruce Fields
2017-02-27 11:59         ` Jeff Layton
2017-02-27 12:08           ` Tom Talpey
2017-02-27 12:55             ` Jeff Layton
2017-02-27 14:20               ` J. Bruce Fields

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