[PATCH] Add LICENSE for Connectathon test suite

[PATCH] Add LICENSE for Connectathon test suite

[Sumit Gouthaman]

Adding a new LICENSE file with Apache 2.0 License.

Signed-off-by: Sumit Gouthaman <sumitgt@google.com>
---
 LICENSE | 14 ++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+)
 create mode 100644 LICENSE

diff --git a/LICENSE b/LICENSE
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..5e54891
--- /dev/null
+++ b/LICENSE
@@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
+Copyright 2018, Connectathon NFS Testsuites Authors.
+
+Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the "License");
+you may not use this file except in compliance with the License.
+You may obtain a copy of the License at
+
+    http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
+
+Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
+distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS,
+WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
+See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
+limitations under the License.
+
-- 
2.16.1.291.g4437f3f132-goog

Re: [PATCH] Add LICENSE for Connectathon test suite

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Re: [PATCH] Add LICENSE for Connectathon test suite

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Re: [PATCH] Add LICENSE for Connectathon test suite

[Steve Dickson]

On 02/23/2018 10:35 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Sat, 2018-02-24 at 03:17 +0000, Sumit Gouthaman wrote:
>> Sorry, should have clarified in the description.
>>
>> This was after checking with the maintainer Steve Dickson (steved@red
>> hat.com),
>> who suggested we should send in a patch adding the license file.
This is true... 

> 
> In order to do so, you would have to get the consent of the main
> copyright holders. The problem is that the Connectathon event rules
> themselves never contained a copyright assignment or license for the
> test suite contributions, and neither did anyone keep a clear record of
> who contributed what code.The people you talk of... no longer exist... The tests were built
at Lachman Associates back in the late 80's or early 90's
then they were used as the go to tests suite for all those
years at the Sun sponsored Connectations... 

So thee bottom line... there are no "copyright holders".

> 
> I therefore suspect that if you were to talk to your employer's legal
> department, they would strongly advise to let these particular sleeping
> dogs lie.
If the google lawyers are good with this... Why should we be??

steved.

> 
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 7:13 PM Trond Myklebust <trondmy@primarydata.
>> com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 17:07 -0800, Sumit Gouthaman wrote:
>>>> Adding a new LICENSE file with Apache 2.0 License.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Sumit Gouthaman <sumitgt@google.com>
>>>> ---
>>>>  LICENSE | 14 ++++++++++++++
>>>>  1 file changed, 14 insertions(+)
>>>>  create mode 100644 LICENSE
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/LICENSE b/LICENSE
>>>> new file mode 100644
>>>> index 0000000..5e54891
>>>> --- /dev/null
>>>> +++ b/LICENSE
>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@
>>>> +Copyright 2018, Connectathon NFS Testsuites Authors.
>>>> +
>>>> +Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the "License");
>>>> +you may not use this file except in compliance with the License.
>>>> +You may obtain a copy of the License at
>>>> +
>>>> +    http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0
>>>> +
>>>> +Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing,
>>> software
>>>> +distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS"
>>> BASIS,
>>>> +WITHOUT WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or
>>>> implied.
>>>> +See the License for the specific language governing permissions
>>> and
>>>> +limitations under the License.
>>>> +
>>>
>>> Exactly what claim are you asserting that might give you the right
>>> to
>>> slap a license on it? Unless you are claiming to be the main
>>> author,
>>> then you I can't see that have any right whatsoever to submit this
>>> patch.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Trond Myklebust
>>> Linux NFS client maintainer, PrimaryData
>>> trond.myklebust@primarydata.com
>>
>>

Re: [PATCH] Add LICENSE for Connectathon test suite

[J. Bruce Fields]

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 03:41:48PM -0500, Steve Dickson wrote:
> On 02/23/2018 10:35 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > I therefore suspect that if you were to talk to your employer's legal
> > department, they would strongly advise to let these particular sleeping
> > dogs lie.
> If the google lawyers are good with this...

I've seen no evidence that google has any ownership of any of the
Connectathon test suite code.

We need to leave this alone unless we get a much better explanation.

--b.

Re: [PATCH] Add LICENSE for Connectathon test suite

[Trond Myklebust]

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Re: [PATCH] Add LICENSE for Connectathon test suite

[Steve Dickson]

On 02/25/2018 08:29 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Sun, 2018-02-25 at 18:47 -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 03:41:48PM -0500, Steve Dickson wrote:
>>> On 02/23/2018 10:35 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote:
>>>> I therefore suspect that if you were to talk to your employer's
>>>> legal
>>>> department, they would strongly advise to let these particular
>>>> sleeping
>>>> dogs lie.
>>>
>>> If the google lawyers are good with this...
>>
>> I've seen no evidence that google has any ownership of any of the
>> Connectathon test suite code.
Who owns the code now? The same people that owned it way back when?

>>
>> We need to leave this alone unless we get a much better explanation.
> 
> If Google does want to contribute, then perhaps they might volunteer to
> write an Apache licensed and independently developed version of the
> testsuite? That would break the deadlock that we have today without
> risking offending any of the original copyright holders, and would
> allow us to resume contributing further extensions.
> 
By no means am I a lawyer... Actually I avoid as much as possible ;-) 
But you are saying if Google adds this license they now own the code?

steved. 

Re: [PATCH] Add LICENSE for Connectathon test suite

[bfields]

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 09:04:53AM -0500, Steve Dickson wrote:
> On 02/25/2018 08:29 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > On Sun, 2018-02-25 at 18:47 -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> >> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 03:41:48PM -0500, Steve Dickson wrote:
> >>> On 02/23/2018 10:35 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> >>>> I therefore suspect that if you were to talk to your employer's
> >>>> legal
> >>>> department, they would strongly advise to let these particular
> >>>> sleeping
> >>>> dogs lie.
> >>>
> >>> If the google lawyers are good with this...
> >>
> >> I've seen no evidence that google has any ownership of any of the
> >> Connectathon test suite code.
> Who owns the code now? The same people that owned it way back when?

Probably.

> >> We need to leave this alone unless we get a much better explanation.
> > 
> > If Google does want to contribute, then perhaps they might volunteer to
> > write an Apache licensed and independently developed version of the
> > testsuite? That would break the deadlock that we have today without
> > risking offending any of the original copyright holders, and would
> > allow us to resume contributing further extensions.
> > 
> By no means am I a lawyer... Actually I avoid as much as possible ;-) 
> But you are saying if Google adds this license they now own the code?

Basically there's a little bit of land out in the country where we've
been meeting for regular picnics a few times a year.  The old owners
were OK with that and the place seems kinda abandoned, so we figure
nobody will mind if we keep holding the picnics.  But we're not going to
encourage anyone to build a house there, either.  Or start putting up
signs saying what people can or can't do with the property, as if it
were ours.

--b.

Re: [PATCH] Add LICENSE for Connectathon test suite

[Steve Dickson]

On 02/26/2018 10:06 AM, bfields@fieldses.org wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 09:04:53AM -0500, Steve Dickson wrote:
>> On 02/25/2018 08:29 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2018-02-25 at 18:47 -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
>>>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 03:41:48PM -0500, Steve Dickson wrote:
>>>>> On 02/23/2018 10:35 PM, Trond Myklebust wrote:
>>>>>> I therefore suspect that if you were to talk to your employer's
>>>>>> legal
>>>>>> department, they would strongly advise to let these particular
>>>>>> sleeping
>>>>>> dogs lie.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the google lawyers are good with this...
>>>>
>>>> I've seen no evidence that google has any ownership of any of the
>>>> Connectathon test suite code.
>> Who owns the code now? The same people that owned it way back when?
> 
> Probably.
I'm thinking the point is nobody owns the code or cares... 

> 
>>>> We need to leave this alone unless we get a much better explanation.
>>>
>>> If Google does want to contribute, then perhaps they might volunteer to
>>> write an Apache licensed and independently developed version of the
>>> testsuite? That would break the deadlock that we have today without
>>> risking offending any of the original copyright holders, and would
>>> allow us to resume contributing further extensions.
>>>
>> By no means am I a lawyer... Actually I avoid as much as possible ;-) 
>> But you are saying if Google adds this license they now own the code?
> 
> Basically there's a little bit of land out in the country where we've
> been meeting for regular picnics a few times a year.  The old owners
> were OK with that and the place seems kinda abandoned, so we figure
> nobody will mind if we keep holding the picnics.  But we're not going to
> encourage anyone to build a house there, either.  Or start putting up
> signs saying what people can or can't do with the property, as if it
> were ours.
You forgot got to end with...  "grasshopper" ;-) 

I understand your point... but the old owners would not care if
we put up a sign to invite more people to the picnic, true?

So I guess the main concern is if Google add the license they
would own the code and could revoke the use of it down the
road... hmm.

So since this code has never been licensed, it an never be licensed?

steved.

Re: [PATCH] Add LICENSE for Connectathon test suite

[bfields]

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 02:03:41PM -0500, Steve Dickson wrote:
> You forgot got to end with...  "grasshopper" ;-) 

Hah.

> I understand your point... but the old owners would not care if
> we put up a sign to invite more people to the picnic, true?
> 
> So I guess the main concern is if Google add the license they
> would own the code and could revoke the use of it down the
> road... hmm.
> 
> So since this code has never been licensed, it an never be licensed?

You don't have to do anything special to get copyright in something you
created[1].  And you can't give away copyright without explicitly saying
you are[2].  So the original authors of the code (or their employers)
still hold copyright.

So, no, nobody can just claim they're taking ownership and then use that
to revoke permissions later.

There was never any license on most of it, so we're just assuming we can
get away with continuing to use it the way we used to.

Yeah, I'm just an amateur here, but I'm not hearing anyone claiming to
be an expert, so we should let this be until one happens along.

--b.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_formalities#Shift_away_from_formalities

[2] https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap2.html#204