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From: "bfields@fieldses.org" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>
Cc: "inoguchi.yuki@fujitsu.com" <inoguchi.yuki@fujitsu.com>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: client caching and locks
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 17:47:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201001214749.GK1496@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200622135222.GA6075@fieldses.org>

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 09:52:22AM -0400, bfields@fieldses.org wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 04:09:05PM -0400, bfields@fieldses.org wrote:
> > I probably don't understand the algorithm (in particular, how it
> > revalidates caches after a write).
> > 
> > How does it avoid a race like this?:
> > 
> > Start with a file whose data is all 0's and change attribute x:
> > 
> >         client 0                        client 1
> >         --------                        --------
> >         take write lock on byte 0
> >                                         take write lock on byte 1
> >         write 1 to offset 0
> >           change attribute now x+1
> >                                         write 1 to offset 1
> >                                           change attribute now x+2
> >         getattr returns x+2
> >                                         getattr returns x+2
> >         unlock
> >                                         unlock
> > 
> >         take readlock on byte 1
> > 
> > At this point a getattr will return change attribute x+2, the same as
> > was returned after client 0's write.  Does that mean client 0 assumes
> > the file data is unchanged since its last write?
> 
> Basically: write-locking less than the whole range doesn't prevent
> concurrent writes outside that range.  And the change attribute gives us
> no way to identify whether concurrent writes have happened.  (At least,
> not without NFS4_CHANGE_TYPE_IS_VERSION_COUNTER.)
> 
> So as far as I can tell, a client implementation has no reliable way to
> revalidate its cache outside the write-locked area--instead it needs to
> just throw out that part of the cache.

Does my description of that race make sense?

--b.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-01 21:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-08 21:19 client caching and locks J. Bruce Fields
2020-06-18  9:54 ` inoguchi.yuki
2020-06-18 14:29   ` Trond Myklebust
2020-06-18 20:09     ` bfields
2020-06-22 13:52       ` bfields
2020-10-01 21:47         ` bfields [this message]
2020-10-01 22:26           ` Matt Benjamin
2020-10-06 17:26             ` bfields
2021-12-28  2:39               ` inoguchi.yuki
2021-12-28  5:11               ` NeilBrown
2022-01-03 16:20                 ` 'bfields@fieldses.org'
2022-01-04  9:24                   ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-01-04 12:36                     ` Trond Myklebust
2022-01-04 15:32                       ` bfields
2022-01-04 15:54                         ` Trond Myklebust
2022-01-05  9:31                           ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-01-05 22:03                             ` 'bfields@fieldses.org'
2022-01-06  7:23                               ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-01-06 14:16                                 ` 'bfields@fieldses.org'
2022-01-07  8:33                                   ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-01-09 22:16                                   ` NeilBrown
2022-01-09 22:38                                     ` 'bfields@fieldses.org'
2022-01-09 21:58                               ` NeilBrown
2022-01-09 22:41                                 ` 'bfields@fieldses.org'
2022-01-17  9:09                                 ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-01-17 22:27                                 ` NeilBrown
2022-02-02  4:09                                   ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-02-02  4:25                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-02  4:44                                   ` NeilBrown
2022-02-03  7:31                                     ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-02-07  4:16                                     ` NeilBrown

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