From: "bfields@fieldses.org" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>
Cc: "inoguchi.yuki@fujitsu.com" <inoguchi.yuki@fujitsu.com>,
"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: client caching and locks
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 17:47:49 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201001214749.GK1496@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200622135222.GA6075@fieldses.org>
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 09:52:22AM -0400, bfields@fieldses.org wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 04:09:05PM -0400, bfields@fieldses.org wrote:
> > I probably don't understand the algorithm (in particular, how it
> > revalidates caches after a write).
> >
> > How does it avoid a race like this?:
> >
> > Start with a file whose data is all 0's and change attribute x:
> >
> > client 0 client 1
> > -------- --------
> > take write lock on byte 0
> > take write lock on byte 1
> > write 1 to offset 0
> > change attribute now x+1
> > write 1 to offset 1
> > change attribute now x+2
> > getattr returns x+2
> > getattr returns x+2
> > unlock
> > unlock
> >
> > take readlock on byte 1
> >
> > At this point a getattr will return change attribute x+2, the same as
> > was returned after client 0's write. Does that mean client 0 assumes
> > the file data is unchanged since its last write?
>
> Basically: write-locking less than the whole range doesn't prevent
> concurrent writes outside that range. And the change attribute gives us
> no way to identify whether concurrent writes have happened. (At least,
> not without NFS4_CHANGE_TYPE_IS_VERSION_COUNTER.)
>
> So as far as I can tell, a client implementation has no reliable way to
> revalidate its cache outside the write-locked area--instead it needs to
> just throw out that part of the cache.
Does my description of that race make sense?
--b.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-10-01 21:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-06-08 21:19 client caching and locks J. Bruce Fields
2020-06-18 9:54 ` inoguchi.yuki
2020-06-18 14:29 ` Trond Myklebust
2020-06-18 20:09 ` bfields
2020-06-22 13:52 ` bfields
2020-10-01 21:47 ` bfields [this message]
2020-10-01 22:26 ` Matt Benjamin
2020-10-06 17:26 ` bfields
2021-12-28 2:39 ` inoguchi.yuki
2021-12-28 5:11 ` NeilBrown
2022-01-03 16:20 ` 'bfields@fieldses.org'
2022-01-04 9:24 ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-01-04 12:36 ` Trond Myklebust
2022-01-04 15:32 ` bfields
2022-01-04 15:54 ` Trond Myklebust
2022-01-05 9:31 ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-01-05 22:03 ` 'bfields@fieldses.org'
2022-01-06 7:23 ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-01-06 14:16 ` 'bfields@fieldses.org'
2022-01-07 8:33 ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-01-09 22:16 ` NeilBrown
2022-01-09 22:38 ` 'bfields@fieldses.org'
2022-01-09 21:58 ` NeilBrown
2022-01-09 22:41 ` 'bfields@fieldses.org'
2022-01-17 9:09 ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-01-17 22:27 ` NeilBrown
2022-02-02 4:09 ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-02-02 4:25 ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-02 4:44 ` NeilBrown
2022-02-03 7:31 ` inoguchi.yuki
2022-02-07 4:16 ` NeilBrown
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