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From: bfields@fieldses.org (J. Bruce Fields)
To: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>
Cc: "linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"bcodding@redhat.com" <bcodding@redhat.com>,
	"plambri@redhat.com" <plambri@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: cto changes for v4 atomic open
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 16:30:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210803203051.GA3043@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ef395e52f3bb8d07dd7a39bb0a6dd6fb64a87a1c.camel@hammerspace.com>

On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 02:48:41PM +0000, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 09:25 -0400, Benjamin Coddington wrote:
> > I have some folks unhappy about behavior changes after: 479219218fbe
> > NFS:
> > Optimise away the close-to-open GETATTR when we have NFSv4 OPEN
> > 
> > Before this change, a client holding a RO open would invalidate the
> > pagecache when doing a second RW open.
> > 
> > Now the client doesn't invalidate the pagecache, though technically
> > it could
> > because we see a changeattr update on the RW OPEN response.
> > 
> > I feel this is a grey area in CTO if we're already holding an open. 
> > Do we
> > know how the client ought to behave in this case?  Should the
> > client's open
> > upgrade to RW invalidate the pagecache?
> > 
> 
> It's not a "grey area in close-to-open" at all. It is very cut and
> dried.
> 
> If you need to invalidate your page cache while the file is open, then
> by definition you are in a situation where there is a write by another
> client going on while you are reading. You're clearly not doing close-
> to-open.

Documentation is really unclear about this case.  Every definition of
close-to-open that I've seen says that it requires a cache consistency
check on every application open.  I've never seen one that says "on
every open that doesn't overlap with an already-existing open on that
client".

They *usually* also preface that by saying that this is motivated by the
use case where opens don't overlap.  But it's never made clear that
that's part of the definition.

--b.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-08-03 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-30 13:25 cto changes for v4 atomic open Benjamin Coddington
2021-07-30 14:48 ` Trond Myklebust
2021-07-30 15:14   ` Benjamin Coddington
2021-08-03 20:30   ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2021-08-03 21:07     ` Trond Myklebust
2021-08-03 21:36       ` bfields
2021-08-03 21:43         ` Trond Myklebust
2021-08-03 23:47           ` NeilBrown
2021-08-04  0:00             ` Trond Myklebust
2021-08-04  0:04               ` Trond Myklebust
2021-08-04  0:57               ` NeilBrown
2021-08-04  1:03                 ` Trond Myklebust
2021-08-04  1:16                   ` bfields
2021-08-04  1:25                     ` Trond Myklebust
2021-08-04  1:30                   ` NeilBrown
2021-08-04  1:38                     ` Trond Myklebust
2021-08-09  4:20                       ` NeilBrown
2021-08-09 14:22                         ` Trond Myklebust
2021-08-09 14:43                           ` Chuck Lever III
2021-08-04  1:43         ` Matt Benjamin
2021-08-04  1:51           ` Matt Benjamin
2021-08-04  2:10             ` Trond Myklebust
2021-08-04 14:49               ` Patrick Goetz
2021-08-04 15:42                 ` Rick Macklem
2021-08-04 18:24                 ` Anna Schumaker
2021-08-06 18:58                   ` Patrick Goetz
2021-08-07  1:03                     ` Rick Macklem
2021-08-04 18:33               ` Matt Benjamin

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