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From: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
To: Dean <seattleplus@gmail.com>
Cc: "J.Bruce Fields" <bfields@citi.umich.edu>,
	NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Olga Kornievskaia <aglo@citi.umich.edu>,
	NFS <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Is tcp autotuning really what NFS wants?
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 15:59:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <21294.1373486365@sandelman.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51DD9AD5.1030508@gmail.com>


Dean <seattleplus@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> This could significantly limit the amount of parallelism that can be
    > achieved for a single TCP connection (and given that the
    >> Linux client strongly prefers a single connection now, this could
    > become more of an issue).

    > I understand the simplicity in using a single tcp connection, but
    > performance-wise it is definitely not the way to go on WAN links. When
    > even a miniscule amount of packet loss is added to the link (<0.001%
    > packet loss), the tcp buffer collapses and performance drops

And just remember bufferbloat.

    > Using multiple tcp connections allows better saturation of the link,
    > since when packet loss occurs on a stream, the other streams can fill
    > the void.  Today, the only solution is to scale up the number of
    > physical clients, which has high coordination overhead, or use a wan
    > accelerator such as Bitspeed or Riverbed (which comes with its own
    > issues such as extra hardware, cost, etc).

This is true on high speed links with few bottlenecks, but not so much when
there is a DSL-type bottleneck and excessive buffers.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-10 20:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20130710092255.0240a36d@notabene.brown>
2013-07-10  2:27 ` Is tcp autotuning really what NFS wants? J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-10  4:32   ` NeilBrown
2013-07-10 19:07     ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-15  4:32       ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16  1:58         ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-16  4:00           ` NeilBrown
2013-07-16 14:24             ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-18  0:03               ` Ben Myers
2013-07-24 21:07                 ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-25  1:30                   ` [PATCH] NFSD/sunrpc: avoid deadlock on TCP connection due to memory pressure NeilBrown
2013-07-25 12:35                     ` Jim Rees
2013-07-25 20:18                     ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-25 20:33                       ` NeilBrown
2013-07-26 14:19                         ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-30  2:48                           ` NeilBrown
2013-08-01  2:49                             ` J.Bruce Fields
2013-07-10 17:33   ` Is tcp autotuning really what NFS wants? Dean
2013-07-10 17:39     ` Ben Greear
2013-07-15  4:35       ` NeilBrown
2013-07-15 23:32         ` Ben Greear
2013-07-16  4:46           ` NeilBrown
2013-07-10 19:59     ` Michael Richardson [this message]
2013-07-15  1:26   ` Jim Rees
2013-07-15  5:02     ` NeilBrown
2013-07-15 11:57       ` Jim Rees
2013-07-15 13:42   ` Jim Rees
2013-07-16  1:10     ` NeilBrown

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