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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org>
Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, Djalal Harouni <tixxdz@gmail.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	trondmy@primarydata.com, Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@redhat.com>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	"linux-kernel" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:CONTROL GROUP (CGROUP)" <cgroups@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 16:30:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3118.1495553419@warthog.procyon.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1495551292.2742620.985957224.3FCF254A@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Colin Walters <walters@verbum.org> wrote:

> Why not drop the upcall model in favor of having userspace monitor events
> via a (more efficient) protocol and react to them on its own?

 (1) That's not necessarily more efficient.  You now have the overhead of a
     permanently running userspace daemon in every relevant namespace
     combination.

 (2) You then have to work out how to route to the appropriate daemon.

> It's just generally more flexible

Actually, it's less flexible.  You can't easily get at the caller's
namespaces.

> and avoids all of those issues like replicating the seccomp configuration,
> etc.

So does my container implementation.

> Something like inotify/signalfd could be a precedent around having a read()/poll()able
> fd.  /proc/keys-requests ?
>
> Then if you create a new user namespace, and open /proc/keys-requests, the
> kernel will always write to that instead of calling /sbin/request-key.

That's not good enough.  You're basically making it one daemon per user
namespace and ignoring all the other namespaces.

[Also note that the kernel would have to paste a temporary authorisation key
 into the daemon's session keyring for each key that requires instantiation].

David

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-05-23 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-22 16:22 [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 1/9] containers: Rename linux/container.h to linux/container_dev.h David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 2/9] Implement containers as kernel objects David Howells
2017-08-14  5:47   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-08-16 22:21     ` Paul Moore
2017-08-18  8:03       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-09-06 14:03         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2017-09-14  5:47           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2017-09-08 20:02         ` Paul Moore
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 3/9] Provide /proc/containers David Howells
2017-05-22 16:22 ` [PATCH 4/9] Allow processes to be forked and upcalled into a container David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 5/9] Open a socket inside " David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 6/9] Allow fs syscall dfd arguments to take a container fd David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 7/9] Make fsopen() able to initiate mounting into a container David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 8/9] Honour CONTAINER_NEW_EMPTY_FS_NS David Howells
2017-05-22 16:23 ` [PATCH 9/9] Sample program for driving container objects David Howells
2017-05-22 16:53 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Make containers kernel objects James Bottomley
2017-05-22 17:14   ` Aleksa Sarai
2017-05-22 17:27   ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 18:34   ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-22 19:21     ` James Bottomley
2017-05-22 22:14       ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 10:35       ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23  9:38   ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 14:53   ` David Howells
2017-05-23 14:56     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:14     ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:17       ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:44         ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 16:36         ` David Howells
2017-05-24  8:26           ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-24  9:16             ` Ian Kent
2017-05-22 17:11 ` Jessica Frazelle
2017-05-22 19:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-22 22:22   ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 12:54     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 14:27       ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 14:30       ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-23 14:54         ` Colin Walters
2017-05-23 15:31           ` Jeff Layton
2017-05-23 15:35             ` Colin Walters
2017-05-23 15:30         ` David Howells [this message]
2017-05-23 14:23     ` Djalal Harouni
2017-05-27 17:45   ` Trond Myklebust
2017-05-27 19:10     ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 10:09 ` Ian Kent
2017-05-23 13:52 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:02   ` James Bottomley
2017-05-23 15:23   ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 15:12 ` David Howells
2017-05-23 15:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-05-23 16:13 ` David Howells

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