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From: Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
Cc: nfs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH]  Reinstantiating stale inodes
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 19:57:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4094397C.3030303@RedHat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1083439518.3687.19.camel@lade.trondhjem.org>

Trond Myklebust wrote:

>You are not listening to what I am saying: you are NOT allowed to change
>inodes in this manner. The filehandle defines which file you are
>referencing. By changing the filehandle, you are changing files from
>beneath other processes and your own process.
>  
>
Believe me... I hear you.... and do understand what I'm trying to do....
And I also apologize for being so persistent.... but just bothers the
hell out of me that other clients can recover from ESTALEs and we don't...

>Imagine if I do
>
>rm blah; ln /etc/passwd blah
>
>Your patch means that anyone that was writing to file "blah" before you
>deleted it, will suddenly find themselves overwriting /etc/passwd. That
>is NOT POSIX-compatible behaviour!
>  
>
I see this point in theory, but in my testing, bad things don't seem to 
happen.
The writes always fails with ESTALE... but I can't deny there is not a 
window
just because I can't reproduce it...

>The ONLY way to overcome a stale inode is to d_drop() the dentry, unhash
>the inode, and then force the VFS to look up a new inode. That way only
>new calls to open() end up overwriting /etc/passwd in the above case.
>  
>
I guess I would be interested on how other implementation handle this 
problem,
since they seem to recover... Maybe their VFS layers is more friendly to
these types of things....

SteveD.



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  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-01 23:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-23 14:15 [PATCH] Reinstantiating stale inodes Steve Dickson
2004-04-23 14:33 ` Olaf Kirch
2004-04-23 15:50   ` Steve Dickson
2004-04-23 17:55     ` Olaf Kirch
2004-04-23 18:43       ` Steve Dickson
2004-04-23 18:50         ` Olaf Kirch
2004-04-23 20:07           ` Steve Dickson
2004-04-23 14:36 ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-23 16:01   ` Steve Dickson
2004-04-23 16:21     ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-23 17:21       ` Steve Dickson
2004-04-23 17:49         ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-23 19:14           ` Steve Dickson
     [not found] ` <40892DC0.1010001@redhat.com>
2004-04-23 16:04   ` Steve Dickson
2004-05-01 16:13 ` Steve Dickson
2004-05-01 19:25   ` Trond Myklebust
2004-05-01 23:57     ` Steve Dickson [this message]
2004-05-02  0:22       ` Trond Myklebust
2004-05-02  3:19         ` Steve Dickson
2004-05-02  3:28           ` Trond Myklebust
2004-05-03 19:50             ` Steve Dickson
2004-05-03 20:15               ` Trond Myklebust
2004-05-03 20:33                 ` Steve Dickson
2004-05-03 21:27                   ` Trond Myklebust
2004-05-04 19:05                     ` Steve Dickson
2004-05-06 17:39 ` Steve Dickson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-04-23 14:48 Lever, Charles
2004-04-23 15:00 ` Trond Myklebust
2004-04-23 16:16   ` Steve Dickson
2004-04-23 15:08 ` Olaf Kirch
2004-04-23 15:17 Lever, Charles
2004-04-23 16:16 Lever, Charles
2004-04-23 16:27 ` Steve Dickson

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