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From: Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>, "Myklebust\,
	Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Bernd Schubert <bernd.schubert@itwm.fraunhofer.de>,
	Malahal Naineni <malahal@us.ibm.com>,
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	"viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk" <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	"hch@infradead.org" <hch@infradead.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] vfs: make fstatat retry on ESTALE errors from getattr call
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:59:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F8D9375.9010209@RedHat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120417110219.0db9bdee@corrin.poochiereds.net>



On 04/17/2012 11:02 AM, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:27:16 +0200
> Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
> 
>> Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com> writes:
>>
>>> True, but even so... Giving file systems an opt-out option with the 
>>> default being out, maybe still have some merit... Making file systems
>>> enable this new type of functionality would cut down on any of the
>>> "surprise" that might occur with this redo ;-) 
>>
>> I've been arguing for something slightly different for quite some time:
>> I never liked errno values which have side effects in the kernel yet
>> might be visible to userspace.
>>
>> So why not introduce ERETRYSTALE, a *kernel internal* errno value that
>> userspace will never see and filesystems never accidentally set.  The
>> VFS can turn this into ESTALE if it doesn't retry for some reason
>> (e.g. already retried).
>>
> 
> That's possible but it's certainly a lot more invasive. It's also far
> more difficult for filesystems to opt-in to this sort of behavior.
> 
> All of the places that call vfs_getattr, for instance will need to be
> fixed up to deal with that sort of error. That will also make it messy
> to do this in any sort of piecemeal fashion. We can't (for instance)
> convert NFSERR_STALE to -ESTALERETRY universally. We'll need to take
> great care only to return that to codepaths that are equipped to deal
> with it.
> 
> Personally, I'd prefer not to foist so much code churn on any filesystem
> that might want to do this sort of retry, but I'll live with it if
> that's the consensus opinion...
> 
I agree with Jeff.... Introducing a new errno is a bit of overkill.. IMHO...

steved.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-04-17 16:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-13 11:25 [PATCH RFC] vfs: make fstatat retry on ESTALE errors from getattr call Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 12:02 ` Jim Rees
2012-04-13 12:09   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 15:05 ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-13 15:42   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 16:07     ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-13 17:10       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-13 17:34       ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-13 23:00         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-14  0:57         ` Trond Myklebust
2012-04-15 19:03     ` Bernd Schubert
2012-04-15 19:27       ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-16 14:23         ` Bernd Schubert
2012-04-15 19:57       ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-16 11:23         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 11:53         ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-16 11:36       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 12:54         ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-16 16:04           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 14:44         ` Bernd Schubert
2012-04-16 17:46           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 19:33             ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 19:43               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 20:25                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-16 23:05                   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 11:46                     ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 13:36                       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:14                         ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-17 14:27                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 15:02                             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 15:50                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 16:03                                 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 15:59                               ` Steve Dickson [this message]
2012-04-17 13:12                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 13:32                       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:03                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 14:22                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 14:04                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:20                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-17 15:45                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-17 16:02                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-17 13:39                     ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-17 14:08                       ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-04-17 14:48                         ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-18 15:16                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-16 19:43             ` Scott Lovenberg
2012-04-16 16:55 ` [PATCH RFC v2] " Jeff Layton
2012-04-18 11:52 ` [PATCH RFC v3] vfs: make fstatat retry once " Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 14:40   ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 20:18     ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-20 20:37       ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-20 21:13         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-22  5:40           ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 12:00             ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:00               ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 13:12                 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:34                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 13:50                     ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 13:54                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2012-04-23 14:51                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 15:02                           ` Chuck Lever
2012-04-23 15:23                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 17:45                               ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 15:16                           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 15:28                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-23 18:59                               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-20 21:13       ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 14:55         ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-23 15:32           ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 18:06             ` Steve Dickson
2012-04-23 18:33               ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 20:38               ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-24 14:50                 ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-24 15:54                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-24 16:34                     ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-25  9:41                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2012-04-25 12:04                         ` Jeff Layton
2012-04-23 17:43           ` Peter Staubach
2012-04-23 19:06           ` Malahal Naineni
2012-04-22  4:16     ` Ric Wheeler
2012-04-23 11:20       ` Jeff Layton

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