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From: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
To: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"sagi@grimberg.me" <sagi@grimberg.me>
Cc: "hch@lst.de" <hch@lst.de>,
	"dan.aloni@vastdata.com" <dan.aloni@vastdata.com>,
	 "chuck.lever@oracle.com" <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH rfc] nfs: propagate readlink errors in nfs_symlink_filler
Date: Wed, 22 May 2024 17:20:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52ca3fe0ef0e70b9ca2b4badb5f4b0d1082e2918.camel@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e4e181e4a7b2db4b27b6ce3e6bb26b23e514cdb1.camel@hammerspace.com>

On Wed, 2024-05-22 at 21:04 +0000, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> On Wed, 2024-05-22 at 22:40 +0300, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
> > Hey Trond,
> > 
> > > > filehandle is stale? There will have been an unlink() on the
> > > > symlink at
> > > > some point in the recent past.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > No reason that I can see. However given that this was observed in
> > > the 
> > > wild, and essentially
> > > a common pattern with symlinks (overwrite a config file for
> > > example), 
> > > I think its reasonable
> > > to have the vfs at least do a single retry, by simply returning
> > > ESTALE.
> > > However NFS cannot distinguish between first and second retries 
> > > afaict... Perhaps the
> > > vfs can help with a ESTALE->ENOENT conversion?
> > 
> > So what do you suggest we do here? IMO at a minimum NFS should retry 
> > once similar
> > to nfs4_file_open (it would probably address 99.9% of the use-cases 
> > where symlinks are
> > not overwritten in a high enough frequency for the client to see 2 
> > consecutive stale readlink
> > rpc rplies).
> > 
> > I can send a patch paired with a vfs ESTALE conversion patch? 
> > alternatively retry locally in NFS...
> > I would like to understand your position here.
> > 
> 
> Looking more closely at nfs_get_link(), it is obvious that it can
> already return ESTALE (thanks to the call to nfs_revalidate_mapping())
> and looking at do_readlinkat(), it has already been plumbed through
> with a call to retry_estale().
> 
> So I think we can take your patch as is, since it doesn't add any error
> cases that callers of readlink() don't have to handle already.
> 
> We might still want to think about cleaning up the output of the VFS in
> all these cases, so that we don't return ESTALE when it isn't allowed
> by POSIX, but that would be a separate task.
> 

I think we can effectively turn ESTALE into ENOENT in most (all?)
syscalls that take a pathname, since you can argue that it would have
been an ENOENT had we gotten in there just a little later.

To fix this the right way, I think you'd have to plumb this translation
into most path-based syscall handlers at a fairly high level. Maybe we
need some sort of generic sanitize_errno() handler that we call from
these sorts of calls?

In any case, I think that's a somewhat larger project. :)
-- 
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-22 21:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-21 12:58 [PATCH rfc] nfs: propagate readlink errors in nfs_symlink_filler Sagi Grimberg
2024-05-21 13:22 ` Jeff Layton
2024-05-21 14:36   ` Dan Aloni
2024-05-21 15:05   ` Sagi Grimberg
2024-05-21 15:13     ` Trond Myklebust
2024-05-21 15:24       ` Chuck Lever III
2024-05-22  4:41         ` Dan Aloni
2024-05-22 12:11           ` Trond Myklebust
2024-05-21 16:09       ` Sagi Grimberg
2024-05-22 19:40         ` Sagi Grimberg
2024-05-22 21:04           ` Trond Myklebust
2024-05-22 21:19             ` Sagi Grimberg
2024-05-30 18:08               ` Sagi Grimberg
2024-05-30 18:21                 ` Trond Myklebust
2024-05-31  4:24                   ` Sagi Grimberg
2024-05-22 21:20             ` Jeff Layton [this message]
2024-05-21 14:02 ` Chuck Lever
2024-05-21 14:59   ` Sagi Grimberg

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