From: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Steve Dickson <SteveD@redhat.com>, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Various gssd fixes including machine-credential issue.
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:01:28 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <617282A2-6881-47B7-BE8F-752728195AF1@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130612161240.59b219b7@notabene.brown>
On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:12 AM, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de> wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 09:43:36 +1000 NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de> wrote:
>
>> I've provided a patched kernel to customer. Hopefully will hear back soon.
>
> Hi Chuck,
> the patch appears to work exactly as advertised and completely resolves the
> issue - thanks.
Thanks to you and your customer for confirming the approach.
Unfortunately Trond NAK'd a for-3.10 patch that uses RPC_TASK_ROOTCREDS. I posted a patch Friday that takes a different approach to acquiring the root user's credentials that should behave like the old patch in every way, and be easier to back-port.
> Getting back to the idea of making this sort of thing work seamlessly,
> another possibility to consider is to use the *real* uid of the process
> which performs the mount do authenticate SETCLIENTID - either as the primary
> authentication or as a fall-back.
> Then the a mountpoint with "users" listed as an option in /etc/fstab can be
> mounted by anyone with appropriate credentials and no credential should be
> needed for root, and not machine credential should be needed either.
Perhaps a more common use case with NFSv4 is secure automounter mounts. In that case, the server can be configured to allow sec=sys access to it's pseudo-fs, then require Kerberos for its real file systems.
In operation, the client mounts the server's pseudo-fs without needing any GSS context. When it transitions into a protected file system, the server returns NFS4ERR_WRONGSEC and the client should be able to negotiate up to AUTH_GSS using the user's credential. (Mind you I haven't tried this, I'm simply hand-waving based on reasonable assumptions).
The key feature of this use case is that the client is not configured for anything but /net. Mount options like "sec=krb5" or "users" are simply not in the picture.
The question is still whether, if the client doesn't have a keytab, lease management should use the user's credential or AUTH_SYS. I maintain that AUTH_SYS is a better choice. The kernel cannot possibly know a priori, without configuration, that this is a single-user client and that it is OK to use a user's Kerberos credential for lease management.
I'll stress that the reason we prefer a machine credential (either AUTH_GSS or AUTH_SYS) is because a client must present a consistent principal and flavor to the server for lease management.
A server can refuse to recognize a SETCLIENTID (for example, after a sudden client reboot) if there is already a lease on the server for using the presented nfs_client_id4.id string that was established using a different security flavor or principal. Otherwise there would be no point in securing lease management.
--
Chuck Lever
chuck[dot]lever[at]oracle[dot]com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-06-12 16:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-06-03 1:00 [PATCH 0/3] Various gssd fixes including machine-credential issue Neil Brown
2013-06-03 1:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] krb5_utils: remove redundant array size Neil Brown
2013-07-01 16:05 ` Steve Dickson
2013-06-03 1:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] gssd: add -N option to use root credentials as machine credentials Neil Brown
2013-07-01 16:23 ` Steve Dickson
2013-07-01 21:35 ` NeilBrown
2013-06-03 1:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] krb5_util: don't give up on machine credential if hostname not available Neil Brown
2013-07-01 16:22 ` Steve Dickson
2013-07-01 21:56 ` NeilBrown
2013-07-02 12:29 ` Steve Dickson
2013-07-02 12:29 ` Steve Dickson
2013-06-03 2:01 ` [PATCH 0/3] Various gssd fixes including machine-credential issue Chuck Lever
2013-06-03 2:23 ` NeilBrown
2013-06-03 2:45 ` Chuck Lever
2013-06-03 3:01 ` NeilBrown
2013-06-03 4:32 ` Chuck Lever
2013-06-03 23:30 ` NeilBrown
2013-06-04 1:13 ` Chuck Lever
2013-06-04 19:16 ` Chuck Lever
2013-06-05 1:26 ` NeilBrown
2013-06-05 15:37 ` Chuck Lever
2013-06-05 17:14 ` Chuck Lever
2013-06-05 23:53 ` NeilBrown
2013-06-05 23:43 ` NeilBrown
2013-06-12 6:12 ` NeilBrown
2013-06-12 16:01 ` Chuck Lever [this message]
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2013-06-05 14:05 E.G. Keizer
2013-06-05 14:25 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-06-05 14:48 ` E.G. Keizer
2013-06-05 15:14 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-06-05 15:19 ` Chuck Lever
2013-06-05 15:23 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-06-05 15:24 ` Chuck Lever
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