From: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>
To: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Cedric Blancher <cedric.blancher@gmail.com>,
Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: LInux NFSv4.1 client and server- case insensitive filesystems supported?
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2025 12:29:30 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <643072ba-3ee6-4e5b-832a-aac88a06e51d@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250607223951.GB784455@mit.edu>
On 6/7/25 6:39 PM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 07, 2025 at 02:30:37PM -0400, Chuck Lever wrote:
>>
>> My impression is that real case-insensitivity has been added to the
>> dentry cache in support of FAT on Android devices (or something like
>> that). That clears the path a bit for NFSD, but it needs to be
>> researched to see if that new support is adequate for NFS to use.
>
> Case insensitivty was added in Linux in 2019, with the primary coding
> work being done by Gabriel Krisman Bertazi of Collabora, and design
> work being done being done by Gabriel, Michael Halcrow, and myself.
> (Michael Halcrow in particular was responsible for devising how to
> make case-insensitivity work with filename encryption and indexed
> directories.)
For some reason I thought case-insensitivity support was merged more
recently than that. I recall it first appearing as a session at LSF in
Park City, but maybe that one was in 2018.
> There is an interesting write-up about NFS and case-insensitivity in a
> relatively recent Internet-Draft[1], dated 2025-May-16. In this I-D,
> it points out that one of the primary concerns is that if the client
> caches negative lookups under one case (say, MaDNeSS), and then the
> file is created using a different case (say "madness"), then the
> negative dentry cache indicating that MaDNeSS does not exist needs to
> be removed when "madness" is created. I'm not sure how Linux's NFS
> client handles negative dentries, since even without
> case-insensitivity, a file name that previously didn't exist could
> have subsequently been created by another client on a different host.
> So does Linux's NFS client simply does not use negative dentries, or
> does it have some kind of cache invalidation scheme when the directory
> has a new mtime, or some such?
>
> [1] https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-nfsv4-internationalization-12.html#name-handling-of-string-equivale
nfs(5) describes the lookupcache= mount option. It controls how the
Linux NFS client caches positive and negative lookup results.
--
Chuck Lever
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-08 16:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-04 17:58 LInux NFSv4.1 client and server- case insensitive filesystems supported? Cedric Blancher
2025-06-04 18:52 ` Cedric Blancher
2025-06-07 18:30 ` Chuck Lever
2025-06-07 22:39 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-06-08 10:19 ` Jeff Layton
2025-06-08 16:29 ` Chuck Lever [this message]
2025-06-08 20:52 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-06-08 21:52 ` Chuck Lever
2025-06-09 15:28 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2025-06-09 15:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-06-09 16:41 ` Chuck Lever
2025-06-09 5:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-06-09 14:16 ` Chuck Lever
2025-06-10 5:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-09-09 16:06 ` NFSv4.x export options to mark export as case-insensitive, case-preserving? " Cedric Blancher
2025-09-09 16:11 ` Cedric Blancher
2025-09-09 16:11 ` Chuck Lever
2025-09-09 16:33 ` Cedric Blancher
2025-09-09 19:32 ` Chuck Lever
2025-09-10 10:44 ` Roland Mainz
2025-09-10 13:37 ` Rick Macklem
2025-09-11 8:07 ` fattr4_archive "deprecated" ? " Cedric Blancher
2025-09-11 15:01 ` Rick Macklem
2025-09-11 15:26 ` Trond Myklebust
2025-09-11 15:33 ` Cedric Blancher
2025-09-11 15:36 ` Cedric Blancher
2025-09-11 16:08 ` Cedric Blancher
2025-09-10 11:10 ` Jeff Layton
2025-09-10 14:14 ` Chuck Lever
2025-09-10 14:30 ` Jeff Layton
2025-09-10 14:35 ` Chuck Lever
2025-09-11 6:52 ` Cedric Blancher
2025-09-11 6:49 ` Cedric Blancher
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