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From: "Chuck Lever" <cel@kernel.org>
To: "Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Sabrina Dubroca" <sd@queasysnail.net>
Cc: "Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"Jeff Layton" <jlayton@kernel.org>, NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>,
	"Olga Kornievskaia" <okorniev@redhat.com>,
	"Dai Ngo" <Dai.Ngo@oracle.com>, "Tom Talpey" <tom@talpey.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, kernel-tls-handshake@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 2/6] net: Introduce read_sock_rectype proto_ops for control record delivery
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2026 20:12:22 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6deaada6-b916-4232-9df9-fff27472e98c@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260730143556.4a8463fd@kernel.org>



On Thu, Jul 30, 2026, at 5:35 PM, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2026 16:16:33 +0200 Sabrina Dubroca wrote:
>> 2026-07-29, 16:31:42 -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:

>> > Off the top of my head I think a setsockopt which pre-seeds the content
>> > type so that the read returns an errno if the queued content type is
>> > different could be a simple fix. You'd configure that on your sockets
>> > to DATA and once you see a EWHATEVER you'd assume that some special
>> > record arrived and the socket has to be handed back over to the TLS
>> > control path. This is literally the first thing that comes to mind,
>> > IDK how ugly it will look in reality so no promises.  
>> 
>> But then you're back to "read_sock stopped, caller has to take some
>> special action to handle the next bit of payload". It's not better
>> than "read_sock, and do a recvmsg when read_sock says it's not DATA".

But the “recover the control type with a separate operation” is strictly
better than “pass a CMSG buffer to every I/O operation just in case” ;-)


> My bad, I replied without looking at the code.
> We already constrain control records in the way I proposed.
> rcvmsg (w/o cmsg) and read_sock will error out if the next
> record is control.

Almost.

There is no API contract for ->read_sock, but the TLS read_sock
implementation itself will return -EINVAL for two unrelated reasons:

  - net/tls/tls_sw.c:2068-2072 — entry gate: sk_psock_get(sk) returns
    non-NULL, so the socket is under sockmap/BPF. Drop the ref and
    refuse before even acquiring the reader.

  - net/tls/tls_sw.c:2111-2115 — per-record: tlm->control !=
    TLS_RECORD_TYPE_DATA. The record is requeued rather than consumed.

As far as I can tell, no other socket provider that implements read_sock
will return -EINVAL. But this isn’t a documented guarantee that a
socket consumer can depend on, currently.

What would make this just a little friendlier is having distinct errnos
for these two conditions, and a kdoc API contract that documents them.


-- 
Chuck Lever

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-07-31  0:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-20 14:27 [PATCH net-next v2 0/6] Deliver TLS control records to kernel read_sock consumers Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/6] net/tls: Bound consecutive no-data records in tls_sw_read_sock() Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:11   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-23 13:24     ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-23 14:23       ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-23 14:29         ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-23 22:05           ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-29  1:47   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  3:17     ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/6] net: Introduce read_sock_rectype proto_ops for control record delivery Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:14   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-29  1:51   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  1:57     ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29  2:30       ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  2:51         ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29 12:23           ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-29 13:13             ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29 23:31           ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-30 14:16             ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-30 21:35               ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-30 23:09                 ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-30 23:34                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-30 23:40                     ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-31  0:12                 ` Chuck Lever [this message]
2026-07-31  8:36                   ` Sabrina Dubroca
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/6] tls: Implement read_sock_rectype for kTLS software path Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:14   ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 4/6] selftests/tls: Add tests for data/control record interleaving Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:27 ` [PATCH net-next v2 5/6] SUNRPC: Use read_sock_rectype for svcsock TCP receives Chuck Lever
2026-07-20 14:28 ` [PATCH net-next v2 6/6] SUNRPC: Remove sock_recvmsg path from " Chuck Lever
2026-07-23  7:19 ` [PATCH net-next v2 0/6] Deliver TLS control records to kernel read_sock consumers Hannes Reinecke
2026-07-29  1:43 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  1:46   ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29  1:55     ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-29  2:16       ` Chuck Lever
2026-07-29  2:24         ` Jakub Kicinski

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