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From: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>
To: "bcodding@redhat.com" <bcodding@redhat.com>
Cc: "linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 19/21] NFS: Convert readdir page cache to use a cookie based index
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 02:33:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <73e0a536c0467693db87c3966cf02e20ff3d889b.camel@hammerspace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EF67F180-F1D8-4291-92C8-86E5D10D1F25@redhat.com>

On Thu, 2022-02-24 at 12:31 -0500, Benjamin Coddington wrote:
> On 23 Feb 2022, at 16:13, trondmy@kernel.org wrote:
> 
> > From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>
> > 
> > Instead of using a linear index to address the pages, use the
> > cookie of
> > the first entry, since that is what we use to match the page
> > anyway.
> > 
> > This allows us to avoid re-reading the entire cache on a seekdir()
> > type
> > of operation. The latter is very common when re-exporting NFS, and
> > is a
> > major performance drain.
> > 
> > The change does affect our duplicate cookie detection, since we can
> > no
> > longer rely on the page index as a linear offset for detecting
> > whether
> > we looped backwards. However since we no longer do a linear search
> > through all the pages on each call to nfs_readdir(), this is less
> > of a
> > concern than it was previously.
> > The other downside is that invalidate_mapping_pages() no longer can
> > use
> > the page index to avoid clearing pages that have been read. A
> > subsequent
> > patch will restore the functionality this provides to the 'ls -l'
> > heuristic.
> 
> This is cool, but one reason I did not explore this was that the page
> cache
> index uses XArray, which is optimized for densly clustered indexes. 
> This
> particular sentence in the documentation was enough to scare me away:
> 
> "The XArray implementation is efficient when the indices used are
> densely
> clustered; hashing the object and using the hash as the index will
> not
> perform well."
> 
> However, the "not perform well" may be orders of magnitude smaller
> than
> anthing like RPC.  Do you have concerns about this?

What is the difference between this workload and a random access
database workload?

If the XArray is incapable of dealing with random access, then we
should never have chosen it for the page cache. I'm therefore assuming
that either the above comment is referring to micro-optimisations that
don't matter much with these workloads, or else that the plan is to
replace the XArray with something more appropriate for a page cache
workload.


> 
> Another option might be to flag the context after a seekdir, which
> would
> trigger a shift in the page_index or "turn on" hashed indexes,
> however
> that's really only going to improve the re-export case with v4 or
> cached
> fds.
> 
> Or maybe the /first/ seekdir on a context sets its own offset into
> the
> pagecache - that could be a hash, and pages are filled from there.
> 

-- 
Trond Myklebust
Linux NFS client maintainer, Hammerspace
trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com



  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-25  2:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-23 21:12 [PATCH v7 00/21] Readdir improvements trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12 ` [PATCH v7 01/21] NFS: constify nfs_server_capable() and nfs_have_writebacks() trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12   ` [PATCH v7 02/21] NFS: Trace lookup revalidation failure trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12     ` [PATCH v7 03/21] NFS: Use kzalloc() to avoid initialising the nfs_open_dir_context trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12       ` [PATCH v7 04/21] NFS: Calculate page offsets algorithmically trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12         ` [PATCH v7 05/21] NFS: Store the change attribute in the directory page cache trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12           ` [PATCH v7 06/21] NFS: If the cookie verifier changes, we must invalidate the " trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12             ` [PATCH v7 07/21] NFS: Don't re-read the entire page cache to find the next cookie trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12               ` [PATCH v7 08/21] NFS: Adjust the amount of readahead performed by NFS readdir trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12                 ` [PATCH v7 09/21] NFS: Simplify nfs_readdir_xdr_to_array() trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12                   ` [PATCH v7 10/21] NFS: Reduce use of uncached readdir trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12                     ` [PATCH v7 11/21] NFS: Improve heuristic for readdirplus trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12                       ` [PATCH v7 12/21] NFS: Don't ask for readdirplus unless it can help nfs_getattr() trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12                         ` [PATCH v7 13/21] NFSv4: Ask for a full XDR buffer of readdir goodness trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12                           ` [PATCH v7 14/21] NFS: Readdirplus can't help lookup for case insensitive filesystems trondmy
2022-02-23 21:12                             ` [PATCH v7 15/21] NFS: Don't request readdirplus when revalidation was forced trondmy
2022-02-23 21:13                               ` [PATCH v7 16/21] NFS: Add basic readdir tracing trondmy
2022-02-23 21:13                                 ` [PATCH v7 17/21] NFS: Trace effects of readdirplus on the dcache trondmy
2022-02-23 21:13                                   ` [PATCH v7 18/21] NFS: Trace effects of the readdirplus heuristic trondmy
2022-02-23 21:13                                     ` [PATCH v7 19/21] NFS: Convert readdir page cache to use a cookie based index trondmy
2022-02-23 21:13                                       ` [PATCH v7 20/21] NFS: Fix up forced readdirplus trondmy
2022-02-23 21:13                                         ` [PATCH v7 21/21] NFS: Remove unnecessary cache invalidations for directories trondmy
2022-02-24 17:31                                       ` [PATCH v7 19/21] NFS: Convert readdir page cache to use a cookie based index Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25  2:33                                         ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2022-02-25  3:17                                           ` NeilBrown
2022-02-25  4:25                                             ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-25 12:33                                               ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25 13:11                                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-24 15:53                                 ` [PATCH v7 16/21] NFS: Add basic readdir tracing Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25  2:35                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-24 16:55                     ` [PATCH v7 10/21] NFS: Reduce use of uncached readdir Anna Schumaker
2022-02-25  4:07                       ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-24 16:30                 ` [PATCH v7 08/21] NFS: Adjust the amount of readahead performed by NFS readdir Anna Schumaker
2022-02-24 16:18             ` [PATCH v7 06/21] NFS: If the cookie verifier changes, we must invalidate the page cache Anna Schumaker
2022-02-24 14:53           ` [PATCH v7 05/21] NFS: Store the change attribute in the directory " Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25  2:26             ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-25  3:51               ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-25 11:38                 ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25 13:10                   ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-25 13:26                     ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-25 14:44                     ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25 15:18                       ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-25 15:34                         ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25 20:23                           ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25 20:28                             ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25 20:41                             ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-25 22:04                               ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25 22:29                               ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-24 14:15         ` [PATCH v7 04/21] NFS: Calculate page offsets algorithmically Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25  2:11           ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-25 11:28             ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25 12:44               ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-24 14:14     ` [PATCH v7 02/21] NFS: Trace lookup revalidation failure Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-25  2:09       ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v7 00/21] Readdir improvements David Wysochanski
2022-02-25  4:00   ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-24 15:07 ` David Wysochanski

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