From: "Patrick J. LoPresti" <lopresti@gmail.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal: Use hi-res clock for file timestamps
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:32:20 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTin2EOzA5grh5qjZghAs0Y4DbcGBhmdfqp=u1S_4@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1282155658.13405.36.camel@localhost>
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:20 AM, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> Um, can't you? You can't *store* timestamps which are more precise, but
> they can be in cache can't they?
No. That is how Linux used to work, and it caused many problems,
which is why the current_fs_time() function was invented.
> And since you're not going to drop it from cache and bring it back in
> again within 4ms, that ought to suffice?
Not the problem. As usual, the problem is out-of-order timestamps:
1) Modify file A
2) Modify file B
3) File B's inode gets evicted, truncating its timestamp to disk resolution
4) Call stat() on B, bringing it back in with truncated resolution
And boom, B appears to be OLDER than A. Which is not allowed.
This is exactly what happened when Linux first added sub-second
timestamps to the generic VFS layer. Many complaints about "make"
rebuilding files unecessarily, among other things. Eventually it got
fixed by the introduction of current_fs_time().
- Pat
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-18 18:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-13 18:25 Proposal: Use hi-res clock for file timestamps Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-13 18:45 ` john stultz
2010-08-13 18:57 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-13 19:09 ` john stultz
2010-08-13 20:53 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-14 16:45 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-15 1:50 ` Bret Towe
2010-08-13 19:57 ` Jim Rees
2010-08-13 20:26 ` john stultz
2010-08-13 20:52 ` Jim Rees
2010-08-17 14:54 ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-17 17:41 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-17 18:29 ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-17 18:50 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-17 19:04 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-17 19:18 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-17 19:39 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-17 19:29 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-17 19:52 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-18 5:53 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-18 14:46 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-18 17:32 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 18:15 ` Chuck Lever
2010-08-18 23:41 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-19 0:52 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-19 2:08 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-19 2:44 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-19 22:46 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 23:47 ` Neil Brown
2010-08-18 17:50 ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-18 18:54 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 19:25 ` Andi Kleen
2010-08-18 19:30 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-17 19:34 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-17 19:54 ` Alan Cox
2010-08-17 19:43 ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2010-08-17 19:45 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 18:12 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-19 1:41 ` john stultz
2010-08-19 2:31 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-19 3:17 ` john stultz
2010-08-19 22:53 ` J. Bruce Fields
2010-08-18 18:20 ` David Woodhouse
2010-08-18 18:32 ` Patrick J. LoPresti [this message]
2010-08-18 18:53 ` Andi Kleen
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