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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: "Myklebust, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Mandeep Singh Baines <msb@chromium.org>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: LOCKDEP: 3.9-rc1: mount.nfs/4272 still has locks held!
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 08:25:10 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFySyBP8q5AvPrt-s_ZPdgamfoX-dERw4EJ21EcsDLBjYA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FA345DA4F4AE44899BD2B03EEEC2FA9286B511E@sacexcmbx05-prd.hq.netapp.com>

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Myklebust, Trond
<Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com> wrote:
>
> It _shouldn't_ be an interruption unless the filesystem can't make
> progress.

So how can we tell? Calling "freezable_schedule()" if you're not ready
to be frozen is not good. And nobody but the NFS code can know.

You might want to introduce some counter that counts number of
outstanding non-interruptible events, and only call the "freezable"
version if that counter is zero.

A better alternative might be to *never* call the freezable version.
Because those freezable_*() things are really quite disgusting, and
are wrong - they don't actually freeze the process, they say "I don't
care if you freeze me while I sleep", and you might actually wake up
*while* the system is being frozen. I think the whole concept is
broken. Rafaei - comments? The function really is crap, regardless of
any unrelated NFS problems.

So what NFS could do instead is actually check the "do I need to
freeze" flag, and if you need to freeze you consider it an abort - and
do *not* try to continue. Just freeze, and then act as if the machine
got rebooted as far as NFS was concerned. That should work anyway, no?

That does sound a lot more complex, though.

                 Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-07 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-04 13:57 LOCKDEP: 3.9-rc1: mount.nfs/4272 still has locks held! Ming Lei
2013-03-04 14:14 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-04 14:23   ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-04 19:55     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-04 20:53       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-04 22:08         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-05 13:23           ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-05 17:46             ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-05 17:49               ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-05 19:03                 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-05 19:09                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-05 23:39                     ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-05 23:47                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 18:16                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-06 18:53                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 21:00                             ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-06 21:24                               ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 21:31                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-06 21:36                                   ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 21:40                                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-13 15:17                                       ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-31  0:07                                         ` Paul Walmsley
2013-03-07 11:41                                     ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-07 15:25                                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-07 15:55                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-07 15:59                                         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-07 16:25                                           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2013-03-07 16:45                                             ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-07 17:03                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-03-07 17:16                                                 ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-07 21:43                                                   ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-08 14:01                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-03-07 20:55                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-03-07 16:00                                         ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 18:17                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-03-06 18:40                         ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-06 18:45                           ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06  1:10                   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-06  1:14                     ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06  1:28                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06 12:00                     ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-05 23:11                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-03-06  0:02                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-03-06  0:30                   ` [PATCH] lockdep: make lock held while freezing check optional Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-07 12:03                     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2013-03-06  0:59                   ` LOCKDEP: 3.9-rc1: mount.nfs/4272 still has locks held! Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-06  1:05                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2013-03-06  1:16                       ` Tejun Heo
2013-03-06  3:11                         ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-06  9:09                           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-03-06 12:06                             ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-06 15:59                               ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-06 18:23                                 ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-06 18:37                                   ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-06 20:15                                     ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-04 14:40   ` Ming Lei
2013-03-04 15:04     ` Jeff Layton
2013-03-04 15:33       ` Ming Lei
2013-03-04 15:53         ` Myklebust, Trond
2013-03-04 20:09           ` Mandeep Singh Baines
2013-03-04 20:10             ` Mandeep Singh Baines

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