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From: Stef Bon <stefbon@gmail.com>
To: "Myklebust, Trond" <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>
Cc: "linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-cifs <linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Possible to make nfs aware of a inotify watch has been set.
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:49:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANXojcxR9673fRObMLPSScogAN05RSVhPFoni=ENc6YDWq9T7w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FA345DA4F4AE44899BD2B03EEEC2FA90B329CFD@SACEXCMBX04-PRD.hq.netapp.com>

2012/11/29 Myklebust, Trond <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>:
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> 1. while the filesystems are using credentails or tickets to get access to a
>> remote resource, this is a bit difficult for notifyfs.
>> Notifyfs bypasses that. Maybe this leads to permissions/abuse I cannot see
>> directly.
>
> Lack of security is a showstopper. There are good reasons why inotify won't allow you to monitor files for which you don't have access permissions.
>

Let me explain, I think you not understand fully.

Notifyfs does not allow users/clients to set a watch if there are no
read permissions (the object and access for the whole path to it), so
there are no security issues there.

What I mean is that any program can contact the remote notifyfs
server, and this remote notifyfs server cannot figure out it's a valid
request from another notifyfs server, or a program faking that.
In the construction I describe it does not check that (yet).

>>
>> What do you think, is the latest option possible??
>
> So what is the killer app for inotify on NFS/CIFS/FUSE? What programs do you need to run on a NFS/CIFS/FUSE client that use inotify and that wouldn't be better off running on the server instead?
>

What do you mean with "better off running on the server instead"?
There are a lot of programs interested in fs changes, like a simple
file manager. I think it's a very nice feature to see changes right
away in the view.
It's not a killer app, but a think the whole user experience is
improving when your system is able to keep a view (like a view in the
file manager) up to date.

> IOW: whose problem are you trying to solve?

I think that enabling fs notify on network filesystems like nfs, cifs
and fuse is a good thing (see above). On systems like Windows and iOS
since long time this works.

You do not agree??

Stef Bon

  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-29 14:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-29  9:32 Possible to make nfs aware of a inotify watch has been set Stef Bon
2012-11-29 14:03 ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-11-29 14:49   ` Stef Bon [this message]
2012-11-29 14:54     ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-11-29 15:22     ` simo
2012-11-29 15:33       ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-11-29 16:28         ` Steve French
2012-11-29 17:05           ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-11-29 16:39         ` Stef Bon
2012-11-29 17:11           ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-11-29 20:05             ` simo
2012-11-29 21:09               ` Myklebust, Trond
2012-11-29 22:26                 ` simo
2012-11-29 20:10             ` Stef Bon
2012-11-29 20:20           ` Al Viro
2012-11-29 20:31             ` Stef Bon
2012-11-29 21:16               ` Al Viro
2012-11-29 23:14                 ` Stef Bon
2012-11-29 23:44                   ` Steve French
2012-11-30  7:10                     ` Stef Bon
2012-11-30  7:19                       ` Stef Bon
2012-11-30 13:37                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch

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