From: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
Anna Schumaker <anna@kernel.org>,
Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 24/24] nfs: add FAQ section to Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2024 16:12:49 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZsZKQV8qRVQY8g00@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <115f7c93d81d080ce6aac64eaa4e8616a5fe0cdd.camel@kernel.org>
On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 03:03:07PM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-08-19 at 14:17 -0400, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> > From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>
> >
> > Add a FAQ section to give answers to questions that have been raised
> > during review of the localio feature.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>
> > Co-developed-by: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
> > Signed-off-by: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
> > ---
> > Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst | 77 +++++++++++++++++++++++
> > 1 file changed, 77 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst b/Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst
> > index d8bdab88f1db..acd8f3e5d87a 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst
> > +++ b/Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst
> > @@ -40,6 +40,83 @@ fio for 20 secs with 24 libaio threads, 128k directio reads, qd of 8,
> > - Without LOCALIO:
> > read: IOPS=12.0k, BW=1495MiB/s (1568MB/s)(29.2GiB/20015msec)
> >
> > +FAQ
> > +===
> > +
> > +1. What are the use cases for LOCALIO?
> > +
> > + a. Workloads where the NFS client and server are on the same host
> > + realize improved IO performance. In particular, it is common when
> > + running containerised workloads for jobs to find themselves
> > + running on the same host as the knfsd server being used for
> > + storage.
> > +
> > +2. What are the requirements for LOCALIO?
> > +
> > + a. Bypass use of the network RPC protocol as much as possible. This
> > + includes bypassing XDR and RPC for open, read, write and commit
> > + operations.
> > + b. Allow client and server to autonomously discover if they are
> > + running local to each other without making any assumptions about
> > + the local network topology.
> > + c. Support the use of containers by being compatible with relevant
> > + namespaces (e.g. network, user, mount).
> > + d. Support all versions of NFS. NFSv3 is of particular importance
> > + because it has wide enterprise usage and pNFS flexfiles makes use
> > + of it for the data path.
> > +
> > +3. Why doesn´t LOCALIO just compare IP addresses or hostnames when
> > + deciding if the NFS client and server are co-located on the same
> > + host?
> > +
> > + Since one of the main use cases is containerised workloads, we cannot
> > + assume that IP addresses will be shared between the client and
> > + server. This sets up a requirement for a handshake protocol that
> > + needs to go over the same connection as the NFS traffic in order to
> > + identify that the client and the server really are running on the
> > + same host. The handshake uses a secret that is sent over the wire,
> > + and can be verified by both parties by comparing with a value stored
> > + in shared kernel memory if they are truly co-located.
> > +
> > +4. Does LOCALIO improve pNFS flexfiles?
> > +
> > + Yes, LOCALIO complements pNFS flexfiles by allowing it to take
> > + advantage of NFS client and server locality. Policy that initiates
> > + client IO as closely to the server where the data is stored naturally
> > + benefits from the data path optimization LOCALIO provides.
> > +
> > +5. Why not develop a new pNFS layout to enable LOCALIO?
> > +
> > + A new pNFS layout could be developed, but doing so would put the
> > + onus on the server to somehow discover that the client is co-located
> > + when deciding to hand out the layout.
> > + There is value in a simpler approach (as provided by LOCALIO) that
> > + allows the NFS client to negotiate and leverage locality without
> > + requiring more elaborate modeling and discovery of such locality in a
> > + more centralized manner.
> > +
> > +6. Why is having the client perform a server-side file OPEN, without
> > + using RPC, beneficial? Is the benefit pNFS specific?
> > +
> > + Avoiding the use of XDR and RPC for file opens is beneficial to
> > + performance regardless of whether pNFS is used. However adding a
> > + requirement to go over the wire to do an open and/or close ends up
> > + negating any benefit of avoiding the wire for doing the I/O itself
> > + when we´re dealing with small files. There is no benefit to replacing
> > + the READ or WRITE with a new open and/or close operation that still
> > + needs to go over the wire.
> > +
> > +7. Why is LOCALIO only supported with UNIX Authentication (AUTH_UNIX)?
> > +
> > + Strong authentication is usually tied to the connection itself. It
> > + works by establishing a context that is cached by the server, and
> > + that acts as the key for discovering the authorisation token, which
> > + can then be passed to rpc.mountd to complete the authentication
> > + process. On the other hand, in the case of AUTH_UNIX, the credential
> > + that was passed over the wire is used directly as the key in the
> > + upcall to rpc.mountd. This simplifies the authentication process, and
> > + so makes AUTH_UNIX easier to support.
> > +
> > RPC
> > ===
> >
>
> I'd just squash this into patch #19.
That'd use the fact Trond is the author.
Does linux have a shortage on commit ids I'm unaware of? ;)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-08-21 20:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-08-19 18:17 [PATCH v12 00/24] nfs/nfsd: add support for localio Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 01/24] nfs_common: factor out nfs_errtbl and nfs_stat_to_errno Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 02/24] nfs_common: factor out nfs4_errtbl and nfs4_stat_to_errno Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 03/24] nfs: factor out {encode,decode}_opaque_fixed to nfs_xdr.h Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 04/24] nfsd: factor out __fh_verify to allow NULL rqstp to be passed Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 05/24] nfsd: fix nfsfh tracepoints to properly handle NULL rqstp Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 17:46 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-21 21:23 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-22 15:07 ` Chuck Lever
2024-08-22 16:04 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-22 17:07 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-22 17:20 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-22 18:14 ` Chuck Lever III
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 06/24] nfsd: add nfsd_file_acquire_local() Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 07/24] SUNRPC: remove call_allocate() BUG_ONs Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 08/24] SUNRPC: add rpcauth_map_clnt_to_svc_cred_local Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 09/24] nfs_common: add NFS LOCALIO auxiliary protocol enablement Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 18:04 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-21 18:39 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 10/24] nfsd: add localio support Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 11/24] nfsd: implement server support for NFS_LOCALIO_PROGRAM Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 12/24] SUNRPC: replace program list with program array Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 18:31 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-21 20:40 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 21:43 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 13/24] nfs: pass struct file to nfs_init_pgio and nfs_init_commit Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 14/24] nfs: add localio support Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 15/24] nfs: enable localio for non-pNFS IO Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 16/24] pnfs/flexfiles: enable localio support Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 17/24] nfs/localio: use dedicated workqueues for filesystem read and write Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 18/24] nfs: implement client support for NFS_LOCALIO_PROGRAM Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 19/24] nfs: add Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 20/24] nfsd: use GC for nfsd_file returned by nfsd_file_acquire_local Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 18:34 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 21/24] nfs_common: expose localio's required nfsd symbols to nfs client Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 22/24] nfs: push localio nfsd_file_put call out to client Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 18:50 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 23/24] nfs: switch client to use nfsd_file for localio Mike Snitzer
2024-08-19 18:17 ` [PATCH v12 24/24] nfs: add FAQ section to Documentation/filesystems/nfs/localio.rst Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 19:03 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-21 20:12 ` Mike Snitzer [this message]
2024-08-21 20:14 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 23:46 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-19 18:29 ` [PATCH v12 00/24] nfs/nfsd: add support for localio Chuck Lever III
2024-08-19 18:43 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 19:20 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-21 20:05 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-22 12:35 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-22 2:00 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-22 12:50 ` Jeff Layton
2024-08-22 15:18 ` Chuck Lever III
2024-08-22 15:42 ` Mike Snitzer
2024-08-21 19:56 ` Chuck Lever
2024-08-21 20:10 ` Mike Snitzer
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