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From: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
Cc: NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>, Anna Schumaker <anna@kernel.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [for-6.16-final PATCH 9/9] nfs/localio: add localio_async_probe modparm
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 10:08:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aHUPbnWDlacUFGuP@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <579139f6eaaf3f807991e041f509db14d2ffc721.camel@kernel.org>

On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 08:28:22AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Mon, 2025-07-14 at 14:23 +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 Jul 2025, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> > > From: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@hammerspace.com>
> > > 
> > > This knob influences the LOCALIO handshake so that it happens
> > > synchronously upon NFS client creation.. which reduces the window of
> > > opportunity for a bunch of IO to flood page cache and send out over to
> > > NFSD before LOCALIO handshake negotiates that the client and server
> > > are local.  The knob is:
> > >   echo N > /sys/module/nfs/parameters/localio_async_probe
> > 
> > I understand why you are adding this but ....  yuck.  Tuning knobs are
> > best avoided.
> > 
> > Maybe we could still do the probe async, but in mount wait for 200ms,
> > or for the probe to get a reply.   That should make everyone happy.
> > 
> > NeilBrown
> > 
> 
> Agreed. I'd prefer to not need a tuning knob for this. Doing a short
> wait in the mount for localio negotiation would be a lot more
> reasonable.

OK.

> That said, why is the LOCALIO negotiation taking so long? Shouldn't
> that be basically instantaneous during the mount? Do we really have
> applications that are hammering reads and writes just after the mount
> returns but before the localio negotiation completes?

Yes, buffered IO in particular brings the hammer via a storm of page
cache IO that takes a while to be complete before LOCALIO ever gets an
opportunity to service NFS client IO.

Mike

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-14 14:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-09  0:46 [PATCH 0/6 v2] nfs_localio: fixes for races and errors from older compilers NeilBrown
2025-05-09  0:46 ` [PATCH 1/6] nfs_localio: use cmpxchg() to install new nfs_file_localio NeilBrown
2025-05-09  0:46 ` [PATCH 2/6] nfs_localio: always hold nfsd net ref with nfsd_file ref NeilBrown
2025-05-09  0:46 ` [PATCH 3/6] nfs_localio: simplify interface to nfsd for getting nfsd_file NeilBrown
2025-05-09  0:46 ` [PATCH 4/6] nfs_localio: duplicate nfs_close_local_fh() NeilBrown
2025-05-09  0:46 ` [PATCH 5/6] nfs_localio: protect race between nfs_uuid_put() and nfs_close_local_fh() NeilBrown
2025-05-09  0:46 ` [PATCH 6/6] nfs_localio: change nfsd_file_put_local() to take a pointer to __rcu pointer NeilBrown
2025-05-09 11:03   ` kernel test robot
2025-07-08 14:20   ` [RFC PATCH for 6.16-rcX] Revert "nfs_localio: change nfsd_file_put_local() to take a pointer to __rcu pointer" Mike Snitzer
2025-07-14  3:13     ` [for-6.16-final PATCH 0/9] NFSD/NFS/LOCALIO: stable fixes and revert 6.16 LOCALIO changes Mike Snitzer
2025-07-14  3:13       ` [for-6.16-final PATCH 1/9] Revert "NFSD: Clean up kdoc for nfsd_open_local_fh()" Mike Snitzer
2025-07-14  3:13       ` [for-6.16-final PATCH 2/9] Revert "nfs_localio: change nfsd_file_put_local() to take a pointer to __rcu pointer" Mike Snitzer
2025-07-14  3:13       ` [for-6.16-final PATCH 3/9] Revert "nfs_localio: protect race between nfs_uuid_put() and nfs_close_local_fh()" Mike Snitzer
2025-07-14  3:13       ` [for-6.16-final PATCH 4/9] Revert "nfs_localio: duplicate nfs_close_local_fh()" Mike Snitzer
2025-07-14  3:13       ` [for-6.16-final PATCH 5/9] Revert "nfs_localio: simplify interface to nfsd for getting nfsd_file" Mike Snitzer
2025-07-14  3:13       ` [for-6.16-final PATCH 6/9] Revert "nfs_localio: always hold nfsd net ref with nfsd_file ref" Mike Snitzer
2025-07-14  3:13       ` [for-6.16-final PATCH 7/9] Revert "nfs_localio: use cmpxchg() to install new nfs_file_localio" Mike Snitzer
2025-07-14  3:13       ` [for-6.16-final PATCH 8/9] nfs/localio: avoid bouncing LOCALIO if nfs_client_is_local() Mike Snitzer
2025-07-14  4:19         ` NeilBrown
2025-07-14 14:37           ` Mike Snitzer
2025-07-14 12:23         ` Jeff Layton
2025-07-14  3:13       ` [for-6.16-final PATCH 9/9] nfs/localio: add localio_async_probe modparm Mike Snitzer
2025-07-14  4:23         ` NeilBrown
2025-07-14 12:28           ` Jeff Layton
2025-07-14 14:08             ` Mike Snitzer [this message]
2025-07-14  3:50     ` [RFC PATCH for 6.16-rcX] Revert "nfs_localio: change nfsd_file_put_local() to take a pointer to __rcu pointer" NeilBrown
2025-07-14 14:45       ` Mike Snitzer
2025-07-15 22:52     ` [PATCH 0/3] Fix localio hangs Trond Myklebust
2025-07-15 22:52       ` [PATCH 1/3] NFS/localio: nfs_close_local_fh() fix check for file closed Trond Myklebust
2025-07-15 22:52       ` [PATCH 2/3] NFS/localio: nfs_uuid_put() fix the wait for file unlink events Trond Myklebust
2025-07-15 22:52       ` [PATCH 3/3] NFS/localio: nfs_uuid_put() fix the wake up after unlinking the file Trond Myklebust
2025-07-16  1:09       ` [PATCH 1/3] NFS/localio: nfs_close_local_fh() fix check for file closed NeilBrown
2025-07-16  1:22       ` [PATCH 2/3] NFS/localio: nfs_uuid_put() fix the wait for file unlink events NeilBrown
2025-07-16  2:29         ` Trond Myklebust
2025-07-16  3:51           ` NeilBrown
2025-07-16  1:31       ` [PATCH 3/3] NFS/localio: nfs_uuid_put() fix the wake up after unlinking the file NeilBrown
2025-07-16  4:17         ` Trond Myklebust
2025-07-16  5:07           ` NeilBrown
2025-07-16 15:19             ` Trond Myklebust
2025-07-16 15:59       ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Fix localio hangs Trond Myklebust
2025-07-16 15:59         ` [PATCH v2 1/3] NFS/localio: nfs_close_local_fh() fix check for file closed Trond Myklebust
2025-07-16 15:59         ` [PATCH v2 2/3] NFS/localio: nfs_uuid_put() fix races with nfs_open/close_local_fh() Trond Myklebust
2025-07-16 15:59         ` [PATCH v2 3/3] NFS/localio: nfs_uuid_put() fix the wake up after unlinking the file Trond Myklebust
2025-07-16 22:09         ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Fix localio hangs NeilBrown
2025-07-16 23:27           ` Mike Snitzer
2025-07-18  0:18             ` NeilBrown
2025-05-09 16:01 ` [PATCH 0/6 v2] nfs_localio: fixes for races and errors from older compilers Chuck Lever
2025-05-09 21:02   ` Mike Snitzer
2025-05-10  0:16     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-05-10  2:44       ` NeilBrown
2025-05-10  3:01   ` NeilBrown
2025-05-10 16:02     ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-10 19:57       ` Mike Snitzer
2025-05-16 15:33         ` Chuck Lever
2025-05-18 10:46           ` Pali Rohár
2025-05-19  3:49         ` NeilBrown

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