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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@kernel.org>
Cc: Anna Schumaker <anna@kernel.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/2] NFS: Enable the RWF_DONTCACHE flag for the NFS client
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 18:04:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aKNdKRy65hv8sNon@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c3d5dead2b76161ba96187b85497e55a8a01032a.camel@kernel.org>

On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 09:49:47AM -0700, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > Can you remind me why we clear the writeback flag as soon as the
> > WRITE
> > completes instead of leaving it set until the COMMIT completes?
> 
> It's about reducing latency.
> 
> An unstable WRITE is typically a quick operation because it only
> requires the server to cache the data.
> 
> COMMIT requires persistence, and so it is typically slower.
> Furthermore, the intention of COMMIT is to also allow the batching of
> writeback on the server, so that disk wakeup and seeks are minimised.
> While that is probably much less of a concern with modern SSDs vs older
> hard drives, the NFS client design has to cater to both.
> 
> So by clearing the writeback flag after the WRITE, we allow operations
> that want to further modify a specific folio to proceed without having
> to wait for persistence of the entire batch.

Ah; NFS sets SB_I_STABLE_WRITES.  Unfortunately, 6c17260ca4ae is
a little light on details about why.


      reply	other threads:[~2025-08-18 17:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-18 14:39 [PATCH v3 0/2] Initial NFS client support for RWF_DONTCACHE Trond Myklebust
2025-08-18 14:39 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] filemap: Add a helper for filesystems implementing dropbehind Trond Myklebust
2025-08-18 14:51   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-18 15:59     ` Trond Myklebust
2025-08-18 16:08       ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-18 14:39 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] NFS: Enable the RWF_DONTCACHE flag for the NFS client Trond Myklebust
2025-08-18 15:21   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-18 15:56     ` Trond Myklebust
2025-08-18 15:58       ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-08-18 16:49         ` Trond Myklebust
2025-08-18 17:04           ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]

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