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From: Dai Ngo <dai.ngo@oracle.com>
To: Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: jlayton@kernel.org, neilb@ownmail.net, okorniev@redhat.com,
	tom@talpey.com, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] NFSD: Do not fence the client on NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP error
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2025 10:50:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b8489e0f-550c-4c63-8429-fb2d44f24c0e@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <841a3ef8-d5c8-4f87-9244-f79a10c66e3b@oracle.com>


On 11/3/25 6:16 AM, Chuck Lever wrote:
> On 11/3/25 6:45 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 01, 2025 at 11:51:34AM -0700, Dai Ngo wrote:
>>> NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP error means client has seen and replied
>>> to the layout recall, no fencing is needed.
>> RFC 5661 specifies that error as:
>>
>>    The requester has attempted a retry of a Compound that it previously
>>    requested not be placed in the reply cache.
>>
>> which to me doesn't imply a positive action here.
> Agreed, this status code seems like a loss of synchronization of session
> state between the client and server, or an implementation bug. Ie, it
> seems to mean that at the very least, session re-negotiation is needed,
> at first blush. Should the server mark a callback channel FAULT, for
> instance?
>
>
>> But I'm not an
>> expert at reply cache semantics, so I'll leave others to correct me.
>> But please add a more detailed comment and commit log as this is
>> completely unintuitive.
> The session state and the state of the layout are at two different
> and separate layers. Connect the dots to show that not fencing is
> the correct action and will result in recovery of full backchannel
> operation while maintaining the integrity of the file's content.
>
> So IMHO reviewers need this patch description to provide:
>
> - How this came up during your testing (and maybe a small reproducer)
>
> - An explanation of why leaving the client unfenced is appropriate
>
> - A discussion of what will happen when the server subsequently sends
>    another operation on this session slot

Here is the sequence of events that leads to NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP:

1. Server sends CB_LAYOUTRECALL with stateID seqid 2
2. Client replies NFS4ERR_NOMATCHING_LAYOUT
3. Server does not receive the reply due to hard hang - no server thread
    available to service the reply (I will post a fix for this problem)
4. Server RPC times out waiting for the reply, nfsd4_cb_sequence_done
    is called with cb_seq_status == 1, nfsd4_mark_cb_fault is called
    and the request is re-queued.
5. Client receives the same CB_LAYOUTRECALL with stateID seqid 2
    again and this time client replies with NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP.

This process repeats forever from step 4.

In this scenario, the server does not have a chance to service the reply
therefor nfsd4_cb_layout_done was not called so no fencing happens. However,
if somehow a server thread becomes available and nfsd4_cb_layout_done is
called with NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP error then the client is fenced.
This stops the client from accessing the SCSI target for all layouts which
I think it's a bit harsh and unnecessary.

This problem can be easily reproduced by running the git test.

-Dai



  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-03 18:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-01 18:51 [PATCH 0/3] NFSD: Fix problem with nfsd4_scsi_fence_client Dai Ngo
2025-11-01 18:51 ` [PATCH 1/3] NFSD: Fix problem with nfsd4_scsi_fence_client using the wrong reservation type Dai Ngo
2025-11-03 11:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-01 18:51 ` [PATCH 2/3] NFSD: Do not fence the client on NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP error Dai Ngo
2025-11-03 11:45   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-11-03 14:16     ` Chuck Lever
2025-11-03 18:50       ` Dai Ngo [this message]
2025-11-03 18:57         ` Chuck Lever
2025-11-03 19:14           ` Dai Ngo
2025-11-03 20:03             ` Dai Ngo
2025-11-03 20:15             ` Chuck Lever
2025-11-03 20:36               ` Dai Ngo
2025-11-03 19:22         ` Jeff Layton
2025-11-03 19:36           ` Dai Ngo
2025-11-03 19:40             ` Jeff Layton
2025-11-01 18:51 ` [PATCH 3/3] NFSD: Add trace point for SCSI fencing operation Dai Ngo
2025-11-02 15:40   ` Chuck Lever
2025-11-03 20:44     ` Dai Ngo
2025-11-03 21:00       ` Chuck Lever
2025-11-04  0:32     ` Dai Ngo
2025-11-04 14:05       ` Chuck Lever
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-11-01 18:25 Dai Ngo
2025-11-01 18:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] NFSD: Do not fence the client on NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP error Dai Ngo

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