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From: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>
To: "bcodding@redhat.com" <bcodding@redhat.com>
Cc: "linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 05/13] NFS: Improve algorithm for falling back to uncached readdir
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:58:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e01f0373409aaf09dbaf59f3aa7deb421af68980.camel@hammerspace.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BCE9A6AB-EAA5-477E-BFE7-529AEC443E6A@redhat.com>

On Mon, 2022-02-21 at 11:45 -0500, Benjamin Coddington wrote:
> On 21 Feb 2022, at 11:08, trondmy@kernel.org wrote:
> 
> > From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>
> > 
> > When reading a very large directory, we want to try to keep the
> > page
> > cache up to date if doing so is inexpensive. Right now, we will try
> > to
> > refill the page cache if it is non-empty, irrespective of whether
> > or not
> > doing so is going to take a long time.
> > 
> > Replace that algorithm with something that looks at how many times
> > we've
> > refilled the page cache without seeing a cache hit.
> 
> Hi Trond, I've been following your work here - thanks for it.
> 
> I'm wondering if there might be a regression on this patch for the
> case
> where two or more directory readers are part way through a large
> directory
> when the pagecache is truncated.  If I'm reading this correctly,
> those
> readers will stop caching after 5 fills and finish the remainder of
> their
> directory reads in the uncached mode.
> 
> Isn't there an OP amplification per reader in this case?
> 

Depends... In the old case, we basically stopped doing uncached readdir
if a third process starts filling the page cache again. In particular,
this means we were vulnerable to restarting over and over once page
reclaim starts to kick in for very large directories.

In this new one, we have each process give it a try (5 fills each), and
then fallback to uncached. Yes, there will be corner cases where this
will perform less well than the old algorithm, but it should also be
more deterministic.

I am open to suggestions for better ways to determine when to cut over
to uncached readdir. This is one way, that I think is better than what
we have, however I'm sure it can be improved upon.

-- 
Trond Myklebust
Linux NFS client maintainer, Hammerspace
trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com



  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-21 19:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-21 16:08 [PATCH v6 00/13] Readdir improvements trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08 ` [PATCH v6 01/13] NFS: constify nfs_server_capable() and nfs_have_writebacks() trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08   ` [PATCH v6 02/13] NFS: Trace lookup revalidation failure trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08     ` [PATCH v6 03/13] NFS: Adjust the amount of readahead performed by NFS readdir trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08       ` [PATCH v6 04/13] NFS: Simplify nfs_readdir_xdr_to_array() trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08         ` [PATCH v6 05/13] NFS: Improve algorithm for falling back to uncached readdir trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08           ` [PATCH v6 06/13] NFS: Improve heuristic for readdirplus trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08             ` [PATCH v6 07/13] NFS: Don't ask for readdirplus unless it can help nfs_getattr() trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08               ` [PATCH v6 08/13] NFSv4: Ask for a full XDR buffer of readdir goodness trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08                 ` [PATCH v6 09/13] NFS: Readdirplus can't help lookup for case insensitive filesystems trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08                   ` [PATCH v6 10/13] NFS: Don't request readdirplus when revaldation was forced trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08                     ` [PATCH v6 11/13] NFS: Add basic readdir tracing trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08                       ` [PATCH v6 12/13] NFS: Trace effects of readdirplus on the dcache trondmy
2022-02-21 16:08                         ` [PATCH v6 13/13] NFS: Trace effects of the readdirplus heuristic trondmy
2022-02-23 13:40                           ` [PATCH v3 1/8] NFS: save the directory's change attribute on pagecache pages Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-23 13:40                             ` [PATCH v3 2/8] NFSv4: Send GETATTR with READDIR Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-23 13:40                               ` [PATCH v3 3/8] NFS: Add a struct to track readdir pagecache location Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-23 13:40                                 ` [PATCH v3 4/8] NFS: Keep the readdir pagecache cursor updated Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-23 13:40                                   ` [PATCH v3 5/8] NFS: readdir per-page cache validation Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-23 13:40                                     ` [PATCH v3 6/8] NFS: stash the readdir pagecache cursor on the open directory context Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-23 13:40                                       ` [PATCH v3 7/8] NFS: Support headless readdir pagecache pages Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-23 13:40                                         ` [PATCH v3 8/8] NFS: Revalidate the directory pagecache on every nfs_readdir() Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-21 16:45           ` [PATCH v6 05/13] NFS: Improve algorithm for falling back to uncached readdir Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-21 19:58             ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2022-02-21 20:22               ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-21 20:55                 ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-21 21:10                   ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-21 23:20                     ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-22 12:50                       ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-22 20:11                         ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-22 20:21                           ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-23 12:17                             ` Trond Myklebust
2022-02-23 13:34                               ` Benjamin Coddington
2022-02-23 21:31                                 ` Trond Myklebust

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