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From: Reinoud Zandijk <reinoud-S783fYmB3Ccdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Ryusuke Konishi <ryusuke-sG5X7nlA6pw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Prasenjit Giri
	<tangyorangesour-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	reinoud-S783fYmB3Ccdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	users-JrjvKiOkagjYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: How does NILFS2 handle directory management
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:22:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090911052213.GA24899@aardappel.13thmonkey.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090911.102118.69189169.ryusuke-sG5X7nlA6pw@public.gmane.org>


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Hi folks,

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:21:18AM +0900, Ryusuke Konishi wrote:
> > I dont know if b+tree directory management would be preferable though. With
> > some smart caching all directory operations can be made O(1) anyway.
> 
> Yes, directory is a file and it's already managed with b-tree like
> other files.  However, the current directory design is not O(log n),
> and is actually slow especially for file creation.

Thats what i was refering to. UDF has the same issue and the same design on
directory structure, only even more complicated since directory entries are
not of a fixed length and may actually span logical sectors/blocks.

I now have code in UDF that i also use in my NiLFS implementation that manages
the first file creation/reference in O(n) but all other files
creation/lookup/delete in O(1)! speeding up large directory copies
modifications/copies enormously, upto thousands of times.

> So, it leaves room for considering the true "b-tree directory
> management".
> 
> OTOH, the replacement has the following points to notice:
> 
>  1) It may complicate the log writer.
> 
>     The current log writer is designed on the basis that every data
>     and meta data is a file.  In NILFS, inodes, segment usage state,
>     and checkpoints, are managed with correponding meta-data files.
> 
>     The true "b-tree directory management" may break this uniformity.

This indeed complicates it a lot. It could still be implemented using `perfect
hashing' techniques in one file but i have no experience with this and updates
may still be expensive.

With regards,
Reinoud

P.S. Ryusuke, did you recieve my mail on the length of partial segments?


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-09-11  5:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-10 19:16 How does NILFS2 handle directory management Prasenjit Giri
     [not found] ` <2324ff2b0909101216q31dad1a8y43ea0f229923a0c3-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-10 19:26   ` Reinoud Zandijk
     [not found]     ` <20090910192619.GA1263-bVHBekiX4bNgoMqBc1r0ESegHCQxtGRMHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-11  1:21       ` Ryusuke Konishi
     [not found]         ` <20090911.102118.69189169.ryusuke-sG5X7nlA6pw@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-11  3:48           ` Jiro SEKIBA
     [not found]             ` <873a6u16qy.wl%jir-27yqGEOhnJbQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-11  4:13               ` Ryusuke Konishi
2009-09-11  3:58           ` Prasenjit Giri
     [not found]             ` <2324ff2b0909102058g1ee407fco3f2482b4732dacca-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-11  6:23               ` Ryusuke Konishi
2009-09-11  5:22           ` Reinoud Zandijk [this message]
     [not found]             ` <20090911052213.GA24899-5cYspOl2ggRz6xQTk39kMVfVdRo2wo/d@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-11  6:44               ` Ryusuke Konishi
     [not found]                 ` <20090911.154452.43227079.ryusuke-sG5X7nlA6pw@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-14 10:27                   ` Reinoud Zandijk
     [not found]                     ` <20090914102731.GA154-5cYspOl2ggRz6xQTk39kMVfVdRo2wo/d@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-24  8:49                       ` Jiro SEKIBA
     [not found]                         ` <87hbusbud6.wl%jir-27yqGEOhnJbQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-25 12:21                           ` Reinoud Zandijk
     [not found]                             ` <20090925122109.GD6624-5cYspOl2ggRz6xQTk39kMVfVdRo2wo/d@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-25 15:47                               ` Ryusuke Konishi
     [not found]                                 ` <20090926.004730.113223425.ryusuke-sG5X7nlA6pw@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-25 16:23                                   ` Reinoud Zandijk
     [not found]                                     ` <20090925162334.GA14945-5cYspOl2ggRz6xQTk39kMVfVdRo2wo/d@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-26  1:16                                       ` Ryusuke Konishi
     [not found]                                         ` <20090926.101634.31873031.ryusuke-sG5X7nlA6pw@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-27 22:10                                           ` Reinoud Zandijk
     [not found]                                             ` <20090927221049.GA14618-5cYspOl2ggRz6xQTk39kMVfVdRo2wo/d@public.gmane.org>
2009-09-27 23:03                                               ` Jiro SEKIBA
2009-09-27 11:34                                       ` Jiro SEKIBA

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