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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Chandan Babu R <chandan.babu@oracle.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Hongbo Li <lihongbo22@huawei.com>,
	Ryusuke Konishi <konishi.ryusuke@gmail.com>,
	linux-nilfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] fs: add STATX_DIO_READ_ALIGN
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 05:44:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240829034426.GA3854@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240828235227.GB558903@google.com>

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 11:52:27PM +0000, Eric Biggers wrote:
> Thanks.  We maybe should have included read/write separation in STATX_DIOALIGN,
> but at the time the only case that was brought up was "DIO reads are supported
> but DIO writes are not" which people had argued was not useful.
> 
> Is this patch meant to support that case,

Why would anyone support direct I/O reads but not writes?  That seems
really weird, but maybe I'm missing something important.

> or just the case where DIO in both
> directions is supported but with different alignments?  Is that different file
> offset alignments, different memory alignments, or both?  This patch doesn't add
> a stx_dio_read_mem_align field, so it's still assumed that both directions share
> the existing stx_dio_mem_align property, including whether DIO is supported at
> all (0 vs. nonzero).

Yes.  The memory alignment really is dependent on the underlying storage
hardware DMA engine, which doesn't distinguish between reads and writes.

> So as proposed, the only case it helps with is where DIO
> in both directions is supported with the same memory alignment but different
> file offset alignments.

Yes.

> Maybe that is intended, but it's not clear to me.

Well, that's good feedback to make it more clear.

> Are there specific userspace applications that would like to take advantage of a
> smaller value of stx_dio_read_offset_align compared to the existing
> stx_dio_offset_align?

There are a lot of read-heavy workloads where smaller reads do make
a difference.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-29  3:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-28  5:11 RFC: add STATX_DIO_READ_ALIGN Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-28  5:11 ` [PATCH 1/3] fs: reformat the statx definition Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-28 16:20   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-08-28  5:11 ` [PATCH 2/3] fs: add STATX_DIO_READ_ALIGN Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-28 16:24   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-08-28 23:52   ` Eric Biggers
2024-08-29  3:44     ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2024-08-28  5:11 ` [PATCH 3/3] xfs: report the correct read/write dio alignment for reflinked inodes Christoph Hellwig
2024-08-28 16:23   ` Darrick J. Wong
2024-08-29  1:13   ` Dave Chinner
2024-08-28 13:43 ` RFC: add STATX_DIO_READ_ALIGN Christian Brauner

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