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From: Gordan Bobic <gordan-UpbECiGlrmGsTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org>
To: Ryusuke Konishi
	<konishi.ryusuke-Zyj7fXuS5i5L9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-nilfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Cache Churn
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:53:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <81afbe9d2ba252c062b14712fa6b2c44@mail.shatteredsilicon.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110823.143849.52186207.ryusuke-sG5X7nlA6pw@public.gmane.org>

 On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:38:49 +0900 (JST), Ryusuke Konishi 
 <konishi.ryusuke-Zyj7fXuS5i5L9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:17:45 +0100, Gordan Bobic wrote:
>>  Another performance related problem I am seeing due to 
>> nilfs_cleanerd
>>  is that it causes unhealthy amounts of cache churn. It's reads and
>>  writes are buffered, which inevitably means that things it reads 
>> will
>>  get cached. Since it is going through all the blocks on the fs that 
>> have
>>  any garbage to collect, it will eat through all the available 
>> memory
>>  pretty quickly. It also means that it will push out of caches 
>> things
>>  that really should stay in caches.
>
> Interesting report.  nilfs_cleanerd only reads log header and does 
> not
> read payload blocks.  Data blocks are instead read and copied by the
> nilfs kernel code, and they are freed every time reclamation call of 
> a
> few segments has ended.
>
> I guess the abnormal cache churn arose from other causes, seems that
> DAT file access is suspicious.  (The DAT file holds metadata used to
> convert virtual block addresses to real disk block addresses).
>
>>  Since cleanerd's actual disk I/O is going to have no correlation 
>> with
>>  actual file access pattern, is there a way to make cleanerd always
>>  operate with something like the O_DIRECT flag so that is's reads 
>> won't
>>  fill up the page cache?
>
> If the problem comes from internal metadata accesses like the DAT 
> file
> access, O_DIRECT is not applicable.
>
>>  This is a pretty serious problem on small machines running of cheap
>>  flash (think ARM machines with 512MB of RAM and slow flash media).
>>
>>  The quick and dirty workaround I am pondering at the moment is to 
>> set
>>  up a cron job that runs once/minute, checks df, and starts/kills
>>  nilfs_cleanerd depending on how much free space is available, but 
>> that's
>>  not really a solution.
>>
>>  Gordan
>
> Does your kernel version equal to or newer than v2.6.37 ?

 I am running 2.6.38.8 + chromos patches (running on Tegra2 ARM).

> Last year, we changed cache usage for the DAT file on that kernel.
> This might influence the issue.

 I am running 2.0.23 nilfs-utils.

 The cache churn issue is trivial to reproduce:

 1) On an otherwise idle machine, set the thresholds appropriately to 
 make nilfs_cleanerd reclaim some space

 2) echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches

 3) Observe top and iotop to establish that:
 - nilfs_cleanerd is the only thing running and doing anything
 - cache memory is growing at the same rate at which iotop is saying 
 nilfs_cleanerd is doing I/O

 Gordan
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      parent reply	other threads:[~2011-08-23 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-08-10 11:17 Cache Churn Gordan Bobic
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2011-08-23  5:38   ` Ryusuke Konishi
     [not found]     ` <20110823.143849.52186207.ryusuke-sG5X7nlA6pw@public.gmane.org>
2011-08-23 16:53       ` Gordan Bobic [this message]

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