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From: Damien Le Moal <damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: "Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	"Keith Busch" <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	"Pankaj Raghav" <p.raghav@samsung.com>,
	"Adam Manzanares" <a.manzanares@samsung.com>,
	"Javier González" <javier.gonz@samsung.com>,
	jiangbo.365@bytedance.com, "kanchan Joshi" <joshi.k@samsung.com>,
	"Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Sagi Grimberg" <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	"Matias Bjørling" <matias.bjorling@wdc.com>,
	"Pankaj Raghav" <pankydev8@gmail.com>,
	"Kanchan Joshi" <joshiiitr@gmail.com>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] power_of_2 emulation support for NVMe ZNS devices
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:45:12 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <05a1fde2-12bd-1059-6177-2291307dbd8d@opensource.wdc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220314073537.GA4204@lst.de>

On 3/14/22 16:35, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 04:58:08PM +0900, Damien Le Moal wrote:
>> The reason for the power of 2 requirement is 2 fold:
>> 1) At the time we added zone support for SMR, chunk_sectors had to be a
>> power of 2 number of sectors.
>> 2) SMR users did request power of 2 zone sizes and that all zones have
>> the same size as that simplified software design. There was even a
>> de-facto agreement that 256MB zone size is a good compromise between
>> usability and overhead of zone reclaim/GC. But that particular number is
>> for HDD due to their performance characteristics.
> 
> Also for NVMe we initially went down the road to try to support
> non power of two sizes.  But there was another major early host that
> really wanted the power of two zone sizes to support hardware based
> hosts that can cheaply do shifts but not divisions.  The variable
> zone capacity feature (something that Linux does not currently support)
> is a feature requested by NVMe members on the host and device side
> also can only be supported with the the zone size / zone capacity split.
> 
>> The other solution would be adding a dm-unhole target to remap sectors
>> to remove the holes from the device address space. Such target would be
>> easy to write, but in my opinion, this would still not change the fact
>> that applications still have to deal with error recovery and active/open
>> zone resources. So they still have to be zone aware and operate per zone.
> 
> I don't think we even need a new target for it.  I think you can do
> this with a table using multiple dm-linear sections already if you
> want.

Nope, this is currently not possible: DM requires the target zone size
to be the same as the underlying device zone size. So that would not work.

> 
>> My answer to your last question ("Are we sure?") is thus: No. I am not
>> sure this is a good idea. But as always, I would be happy to be proven
>> wrong. So far, I have not seen any argument doing that.
> 
> Agreed. Supporting non-power of two sizes in the block layer is fairly
> easy as shown by some of the patches seens in this series.  Supporting
> them properly in the whole ecosystem is not trivial and will create a
> long-term burden.  We could do that, but we'd rather have a really good
> reason for it, and right now I don't see that.


-- 
Damien Le Moal
Western Digital Research


  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-14  7:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2022-03-08 16:53 ` [PATCH 0/6] power_of_2 emulation support for NVMe ZNS devices Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-08 16:53   ` [PATCH 1/6] nvme: zns: Allow ZNS drives that have non-power_of_2 zone size Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-08 17:14     ` Keith Busch
2022-03-08 17:43       ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-09  3:40     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-09 13:19       ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-09  3:44     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-09 13:35       ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-08 16:53   ` [PATCH 2/6] block: Add npo2_zone_setup callback to block device fops Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-09  3:46     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-09 14:02       ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-08 16:53   ` [PATCH 3/6] block: add a bool member to request_queue for power_of_2 emulation Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-08 16:53   ` [PATCH 4/6] nvme: zns: Add support for power_of_2 emulation to NVMe ZNS devices Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-09  4:04     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-09 14:33       ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-09 21:43         ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-10 20:35           ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-10 23:50             ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-11  0:56               ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-08 16:53   ` [PATCH 5/6] null_blk: forward the sector value from null_handle_memory_backend Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-08 16:53   ` [PATCH 6/6] null_blk: Add support for power_of_2 emulation to the null blk device Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-09  4:09     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-09 14:42       ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-10  9:47   ` [PATCH 0/6] power_of_2 emulation support for NVMe ZNS devices Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-10 12:57     ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-10 13:07       ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-10 13:14         ` Javier González
2022-03-10 14:58           ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-10 15:07             ` Keith Busch
2022-03-10 15:16               ` Javier González
2022-03-10 23:44                 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-10 15:13             ` Javier González
2022-03-10 14:44       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-11 20:19         ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-11 20:51           ` Keith Busch
2022-03-11 21:04             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-11 21:31               ` Keith Busch
2022-03-11 22:24                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-12  7:58                   ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-14  7:35                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-14  7:45                       ` Damien Le Moal [this message]
2022-03-14  7:58                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-14 10:49                         ` Javier González
2022-03-14 14:16                           ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-14 16:23                             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-14 19:30                               ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-14 19:51                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-15 10:45                                   ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-14 19:55                             ` Javier González
2022-03-15 12:32                               ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-15 13:05                                 ` Javier González
2022-03-15 13:14                                   ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-15 13:26                                     ` Javier González
2022-03-15 13:30                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-15 13:52                                         ` Javier González
2022-03-15 14:03                                           ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-15 14:14                                           ` Johannes Thumshirn
2022-03-15 14:27                                             ` David Sterba
2022-03-15 19:56                                               ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-15 15:11                                             ` Javier González
2022-03-15 18:51                                             ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-16  8:37                                               ` Johannes Thumshirn
2022-03-15 17:00                                         ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-16  0:07                                           ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-16  0:23                                             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-16  0:46                                               ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-16  1:24                                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-16  1:44                                                   ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-16  2:13                                                     ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-16  2:27                                               ` Martin K. Petersen
2022-03-16  2:41                                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-16  8:44                                                 ` Javier González
2022-03-15 13:39                                       ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-16  0:00                                   ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-16  8:57                                     ` Javier González
2022-03-16 16:18                                     ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-14  8:36                     ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-11 22:23             ` Adam Manzanares
2022-03-11 22:30               ` Keith Busch
2022-03-21 16:21             ` Jonathan Derrick
2022-03-21 16:44               ` Keith Busch
2022-03-10 17:38     ` Adam Manzanares
2022-03-14  7:36       ` Christoph Hellwig

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