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From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Keith Busch <keith.busch@wdc.com>,
	Omar Sandoval <osandov@fb.com>,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] nvmeof-tcp/001: simple test for nvmeof-tcp connection
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 07:56:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0d3e494e-aba0-0c70-4b1f-91887820ff86@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2679a2d0-7786-026d-c00c-8fc02a78c7a9@grimberg.me>

On 11/14/21 3:45 PM, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/14/21 3:50 PM, Hannes Reinecke wrote:
>> On 11/14/21 11:31 AM, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
>>>> ---
>>>>   tests/nvmeof-tcp/001     |  55 +++++++
>>>>   tests/nvmeof-tcp/001.out |   6 +
>>>>   tests/nvmeof-tcp/rc      | 347 
>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>> Why another directory? why nvmeof-tcp? what prevents inband-auth
>>> to be tested with loop/rdma?
>>>
>> Technically, nothing.
>> But as I'll be looking into tcp in-band _encryption_ as the next step 
>> I found it logical to have a disinct directory.
> 
> It is unclear to me why the separate directory is needed. But at least
> call it something else if you must have it.
> 
>> Especially as I still fail to see the actual use-case for using 
>> in-band authentication _without_ encryption.
> 
> Not sure what you mean. For the same use-case that iscsi chap exists
> for. The secrets are pre-shared.
> 
And that's the use case I don't really get; the authentication is done 
only once during connection establishment, and then completely ignored
for the remainder of the session.

> Perhaps you can explain? My understanding is that the extension for
> nvme-tcp TLS based auth is to avoid maintaining two sets of pre-shared
> keys, i.e just maintain the TLS ones and not the dhchap ones. But maybe
> I am missing something.
> 
Yes, and no.
Technically TLS is independent from authentication, and as such you can 
'just' use encryption.
But if you want to have both there is the so-called secure 
concatenation, which allows you to use the negotiated shared key from 
authentication as PSK for TLS.

And that's where I think the real value lies for authentication; you 
precisely do _not_ have to maintain two sets of keys.

>> We could rename it to nvmeof-auth, though.
> 
> or just add it as more tests under nvme (or create a subdirectory).
> 
Sure we can. I just found it easier to create my own directory, 
especially seeing that the nvme subdir has the largest number of tests 
already.
But if you prefer I can move it under the 'nvme' directory.

Cheers,

Hannes
-- 
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hare@suse.de                              +49 911 74053 688
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-11-15  6:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-12 14:45 [PATCH blktests 0/6] Testsuite for nvme in-band authentication Hannes Reinecke
2021-11-12 14:45 ` [PATCH 1/6] nvmeof-tcp/001: simple test for nvmeof-tcp connection Hannes Reinecke
2021-11-14 10:31   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-11-14 13:50     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-11-14 14:45       ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-11-15  2:34         ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2021-11-15  6:56         ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2021-11-15  8:12           ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-11-15  8:37             ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-11-12 14:45 ` [PATCH 2/6] nvmeof-tcp/002: create an authenticated " Hannes Reinecke
2021-11-12 14:45 ` [PATCH 3/6] nvmeof-tcp/003: test different key types Hannes Reinecke
2021-11-12 14:45 ` [PATCH 4/6] nvmeof-tcp/004: test hash and dhgroup variations Hannes Reinecke
2021-11-12 14:45 ` [PATCH 5/6] nvmeof-tcp/005: test bi-directional authentication Hannes Reinecke
2021-11-17 21:50   ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-11-18  9:40     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-11-19 11:29     ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-11-12 14:45 ` [PATCH 6/6] nvmeof-tcp/006: test re-authentication Hannes Reinecke

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