From: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-block@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux.dev,
linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [Report] requests are submitted to hardware in reverse order from nvme/virtio-blk queue_rqs()
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:39:42 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1e0ad5fd-2d90-4a0a-bb5c-0b270dd8ddd8@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZbO9T_R4lN_7WkwQ@infradead.org>
On 1/26/24 6:10 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 07:59:54PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Requests are added to plug list in reverse order, and both virtio-blk
>> and nvme retrieves request from plug list in order, so finally requests
>> are submitted to hardware in reverse order via nvme_queue_rqs() or
>> virtio_queue_rqs, see:
>
>> May this reorder be one problem for virtio-blk and nvme-pci?
>
> It it isn't really a problem for the drivers, but de-serializing
> I/O patterns tends to be not good. I know at least a couple cases
> where this would hurt:
>
> - SSDs with sequential write detection
> - zoned SSDs with zoned append, as this now turns a sequential
> user write pattern into one that is fairly random
> - HDDs much prefer real sequential I/O, although until nvme HDDs
> go beyong the prototype stage that's probably not hitting this
> case yet
>
> So yes, we should fix this.
(replying to an email from January)
For my patch series that supports pipelining for zoned writes, I need
the submission order to be preserved. Jens mentioned two possible
solutions:
- Either keep the approach that requests on plug->mq_list are in reverse
order and reverse the request order just before submitting requests.
- Or change plug->mq_list into a doubly linked list.
The second approach seems the most interesting to me. I'm concerned that
with the first approach it will be difficult to preserve the request
order if a subset of the requests on plug->mq_list are submitted, e.g.
because a queue full condition is encountered by
blk_mq_dispatch_plug_list().
Thanks,
Bart.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-07 22:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-01-24 11:59 [Report] requests are submitted to hardware in reverse order from nvme/virtio-blk queue_rqs() Ming Lei
2024-01-24 15:41 ` Keith Busch
2024-01-24 22:32 ` Damien Le Moal
2024-01-25 4:23 ` Ming Lei
2024-01-25 15:33 ` Jens Axboe
2024-01-26 14:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-07 22:39 ` Bart Van Assche [this message]
2024-10-08 11:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
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