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From: willy@linux.intel.com (Matthew Wilcox)
Subject: RFC: Allow block drivers to poll for I/O instead of sleeping
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:01:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130625030140.GZ8211@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130624071544.GR9422@kernel.dk>

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013@09:15:45AM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> Willy, I think the general design is fine, hooking in via the bdi is the
> only way to get back to the right place from where you need to sleep.
> Some thoughts:
> 
> - This should be hooked in via blk-iopoll, both of them should call into
>   the same driver hook for polling completions.

I actually started working on this, then I realised that it's actually
a bad idea.  blk-iopoll's poll function is to poll the single I/O queue
closest to this CPU.  The iowait poll function is to poll all queues
that the I/O for this address_space might complete on.

I'm reluctant to ask drivers to define two poll functions, but I'm even
more reluctant to ask them to define one function with two purposes.

> - It needs to be more intelligent in when you want to poll and when you
>   want regular irq driven IO.

Oh yeah, absolutely.  While the example patch didn't show it, I wouldn't
enable it for all NVMe devices; only ones with sufficiently low latency.
There's also the ability for the driver to look at the number of
outstanding I/Os and return an error (eg -EBUSY) to stop spinning.

> - With the former note, the app either needs to opt in (and hence
>   willingly sacrifice CPU cycles of its scheduling slice) or it needs to
>   be nicer in when it gives up and goes back to irq driven IO.

Yup.  I like the way you framed it.  If the task *wants* to spend its
CPU cycles on polling for I/O instead of giving up the remainder of its
time slice, then it should be able to do that.  After all, it already can;
it can submit an I/O request via AIO, and then call io_getevents in a
tight loop.

So maybe the right way to do this is with a task flag?  If we go that
route, I'd like to further develop this option to allow I/Os to be
designated as "low latency" vs "normal".  Taking a page fault would be
"low latency" for all tasks, not just ones that choose to spin for I/O.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-25  3:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-20 20:17 RFC: Allow block drivers to poll for I/O instead of sleeping Matthew Wilcox
2013-06-23 10:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-23 18:29   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-24  7:17     ` Jens Axboe
2013-06-25  0:11       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25  3:07         ` Matthew Wilcox
2013-06-25 13:57           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-25 14:57         ` Jens Axboe
2013-06-24  8:07     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-25  3:18       ` Matthew Wilcox
2013-06-25  7:07         ` Bart Van Assche
2013-06-25 15:00         ` Jens Axboe
2013-06-27 18:10     ` Rik van Riel
2013-06-23 22:14   ` David Ahern
2013-06-24  8:21     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-24  7:15   ` Jens Axboe
2013-06-24  8:18     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-25  3:01     ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2013-06-25 14:55       ` Jens Axboe
2013-06-27 18:42 ` Rik van Riel
2013-07-04  1:13 ` Shaohua Li

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