From: snitzer@redhat.com (Mike Snitzer)
Subject: [PATCH 0/3] Provide more fine grained control over multipathing
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 08:41:03 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180531124102.GB10552@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cab4ef4a-df7a-60c8-1f40-7a130aa3b15a@grimberg.me>
On Thu, May 31 2018 at 4:51am -0400,
Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me> wrote:
>
> >>Moreover, I also wanted to point out that fabrics array vendors are
> >>building products that rely on standard nvme multipathing (and probably
> >>multipathing over dispersed namespaces as well), and keeping a knob that
> >>will keep nvme users with dm-multipath will probably not help them
> >>educate their customers as well... So there is another angle to this.
> >
> >Noticed I didn't respond directly to this aspect. As I explained in
> >various replies to this thread: The users/admins would be the ones who
> >would decide to use dm-multipath. It wouldn't be something that'd be
> >imposed by default. If anything, the all-or-nothing
> >nvme_core.multipath=N would pose a much more serious concern for these
> >array vendors that do have designs to specifically leverage native NVMe
> >multipath. Because if users were to get into the habit of setting that
> >on the kernel commandline they'd literally _never_ be able to leverage
> >native NVMe multipathing.
> >
> >We can also add multipath.conf docs (man page, etc) that caution admins
> >to consult their array vendors about whether using dm-multipath is to be
> >avoided, etc.
> >
> >Again, this is opt-in, so on a upstream Linux kernel level the default
> >of enabling native NVMe multipath stands (provided CONFIG_NVME_MULTIPATH
> >is configured). Not seeing why there is so much angst and concern about
> >offering this flexibility via opt-in but I'm also glad we're having this
> >discussion to have our eyes wide open.
>
> I think that the concern is valid and should not be dismissed. And
> at times flexibility is a real source of pain, both to users and
> developers.
>
> The choice is there, no one is forbidden to use multipath. I'm just
> still not sure exactly why the subsystem granularity is an absolute
> must other than a volume exposed as a nvmf namespace and scsi lun (how
> would dm-multipath detect this is the same device btw?)
Please see my other reply, I was talking about completely disjoint
arrays in my hypothetical config where having the ability to allow
simultaneous use of native NVMe multipath and dm-multipath is
meaningful.
Mike
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-05-31 12:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-25 12:53 [PATCH 0/3] Provide more fine grained control over multipathing Johannes Thumshirn
2018-05-25 12:53 ` [PATCH 1/3] nvme: provide a way to disable nvme mpath per subsystem Johannes Thumshirn
2018-05-25 13:47 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-31 8:17 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-05-25 12:53 ` [PATCH 2/3] nvme multipath: added SUBSYS_ATTR_RW Johannes Thumshirn
2018-05-25 12:53 ` [PATCH 3/3] nvme multipath: add dev_attr_mpath_personality Johannes Thumshirn
2018-05-25 13:05 ` [PATCH 0/3] Provide more fine grained control over multipathing Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-25 13:58 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-25 14:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-25 14:50 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-29 1:19 ` Martin K. Petersen
2018-05-29 3:02 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-29 7:18 ` Hannes Reinecke
2018-05-29 7:22 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2018-05-29 8:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-29 9:54 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-29 23:27 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-30 19:05 ` Jens Axboe
2018-05-30 19:59 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-06-04 6:19 ` Hannes Reinecke
2018-06-04 7:18 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2018-06-04 12:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-04 13:27 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-31 2:42 ` Ming Lei
2018-05-30 21:20 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-05-30 22:02 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-31 8:37 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-05-31 12:37 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-31 16:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-01 4:11 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-31 16:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-31 16:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-31 18:17 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-06-01 2:40 ` Martin K. Petersen
2018-06-01 4:24 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-06-01 14:09 ` Martin K. Petersen
2018-06-01 15:21 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-06-03 11:00 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-06-03 16:06 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-06-04 11:46 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-06-04 12:48 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2018-05-30 22:44 ` Mike Snitzer
2018-05-31 8:51 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-05-31 12:41 ` Mike Snitzer [this message]
2018-06-04 21:58 ` Roland Dreier
2018-06-05 4:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-05 22:57 ` Roland Dreier
2018-06-06 9:51 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-06 9:32 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-06-06 9:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-25 14:22 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2018-05-25 14:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20180531124102.GB10552@redhat.com \
--to=snitzer@redhat.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).