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From: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
To: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>, Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, Yi Zhang <yi.zhang@redhat.com>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Chunguang Xu <brookxu.cn@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 0/4] nvme: fix two kinds of IO hang from removing NSs
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 11:09:45 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <643f1f34-e88b-0e79-3834-62884b614008@grimberg.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZJeJyEnSpVBDd4vb@ovpn-8-16.pek2.redhat.com>


>>>>>> The point was to contain requests from entering while the hctx's are
>>>>>> being reconfigured. If you're going to pair up the freezes as you've
>>>>>> suggested, we might as well just not call freeze at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> blk_mq_update_nr_hw_queues() requires queue to be frozen.
>>>>
>>>> It's too late at that point. Let's work through a real example. You'll
>>>> need a system that has more CPU's than your nvme has IO queues.
>>>>
>>>> Boot without any special nvme parameters. Every possible nvme IO queue
>>>> will be assigned "default" hctx type. Now start IO to every queue, then
>>>> run:
>>>>
>>>>    # echo 8 > /sys/modules/nvme/parameters/poll_queues && echo 1 > /sys/class/nvme/nvme0/reset_controller
>>>>
>>>> Today, we freeze prior to tearing down the "default" IO queues, so
>>>> there's nothing entered into them while the driver reconfigures the
>>>> queues.
>>>
>>> nvme_start_freeze() just prevents new IO from being queued, and old ones
>>> may still be entering block layer queue, and what matters here is
>>> actually quiesce, which prevents new IO from being queued to
>>> driver/hardware.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What you're suggesting will allow IO to queue up in a queisced "default"
>>>> queue, which will become "polled" without an interrupt hanlder on the
>>>> other side of the reset. The application doesn't know that, so the IO
>>>> you're allowing to queue up will time out.
>>>
>>> time out only happens after the request is queued to driver/hardware, or after
>>> blk_mq_start_request() is called in nvme_queue_rq(), but quiesce actually
>>> prevents new IOs from being dispatched to driver or be queued via .queue_rq(),
>>> meantime old requests have been canceled, so no any request can be
>>> timed out.
>>
>> Quiesce doesn't prevent requests from entering an hctx, and you can't
>> back it out to put on another hctx later. It doesn't matter that you
>> haven't dispatched it to hardware yet. The request's queue was set the
>> moment it was allocated, so after you unquiesce and freeze for the new
>> queue mapping, the requests previously blocked on quiesce will time out
>> in the scenario I've described.
>>
>> There are certainly gaps in the existing code where error'ed requests
>> can be requeued or stuck elsewhere and hit the exact same problem, but
>> the current way at least tries to contain it.
> 
> Yeah, but you can't remove the gap at all with start_freeze, that said
> the current code has to live with the situation of new mapping change
> and old request with old mapping.
> 
> Actually I considered to handle this kind of situation before, one approach
> is to reuse the bio steal logic taken in nvme mpath:
> 
> 1) for FS IO, re-submit bios, meantime free request
> 
> 2) for PT request, simply fail it
> 
> It could be a bit violent for 2) even though REQ_FAILFAST_DRIVER is
> always set for PT request, but not see any better approach for handling
> PT request.

Ming,

I suggest to submit patches for tcp/rdma and continue the discussion on
the pci driver.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-25  8:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-20  1:33 [PATCH V2 0/4] nvme: fix two kinds of IO hang from removing NSs Ming Lei
2023-06-20  1:33 ` [PATCH V2 1/4] blk-mq: add API of blk_mq_unfreeze_queue_force Ming Lei
2023-06-20  1:33 ` [PATCH V2 2/4] nvme: add nvme_unfreeze_force() Ming Lei
2023-06-20  1:33 ` [PATCH V2 3/4] nvme: unfreeze queues before removing namespaces Ming Lei
2023-06-20  1:33 ` [PATCH V2 4/4] nvme: unquiesce io queues when " Ming Lei
2023-06-20 10:04 ` [PATCH V2 0/4] nvme: fix two kinds of IO hang from removing NSs Sagi Grimberg
2023-06-20 13:23   ` Ming Lei
2023-06-20 13:40     ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-06-21  0:09       ` Ming Lei
2023-06-21 10:13         ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-06-21 13:27           ` Ming Lei
2023-06-21 15:48             ` Keith Busch
2023-06-22 13:51               ` Ming Lei
2023-06-22 14:35                 ` Keith Busch
2023-06-22 14:53                   ` Ming Lei
2023-06-22 15:19                     ` Keith Busch
2023-06-25  0:26                       ` Ming Lei
2023-06-25  8:09                         ` Sagi Grimberg [this message]
2023-06-27 17:21                         ` Keith Busch
2023-06-27 21:15                           ` Sagi Grimberg
2023-06-28  1:30                           ` Ming Lei
2023-06-28 14:35                             ` Keith Busch
2023-06-29  0:08                               ` Ming Lei
2023-06-29 15:33                                 ` Keith Busch
2023-06-28  7:06                           ` Ming Lei
2023-06-28  7:26                             ` Sagi Grimberg

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