From: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
To: Mohamed Khalfella <mkhalfella@purestorage.com>,
Daniel Wagner <dwagner@suse.de>
Cc: Daniel Wagner <wagi@kernel.org>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>, Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
John Meneghini <jmeneghi@redhat.com>,
randyj@purestorage.com, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 3/3] nvme: delay failover by command quiesce timeout
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 01:21:08 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <df6cd26e-551a-4bc1-bdc6-9c715e502aa8@grimberg.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250416135318.GI1868505-mkhalfella@purestorage.com>
On 16/04/2025 16:53, Mohamed Khalfella wrote:
> On 2025-04-16 10:30:11 +0200, Daniel Wagner wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 05:40:16PM -0700, Mohamed Khalfella wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-15 14:17:48 +0200, Daniel Wagner wrote:
>>>> Pasthrough commands should fail immediately. Userland is in charge here,
>>>> not the kernel. At least this what should happen here.
>>> I see your point. Unless I am missing something these requests should be
>>> held equally to bio requests from multipath layer. Let us say app
>>> submitted write a request that got canceled immediately, how does the app
>>> know when it is safe to retry the write request?
>> Good question, but nothing new as far I can tell. If the kernel doesn't
>> start to retry passthru IO commands, we have to figure out how to pass
>> additional information to the userland.
>>
> nvme multipath does not retry passthru commands. That is said, there is
> nothing prevents userspace from retrying canceled command immediately
> resulting in the unwanted behavior these very patches try to address.
userspace can read the controller cqt and implement the retry logic on
its own.
If it doesn't/can't, it should use normal fs io. the driver does not
handle passthru retries.
>
>>> Holding requests like write until it is safe to be retried is the whole
>>> point of this work, right?
>> My first goal was to address the IO commands submitted via the block
>> layer. I didn't had the IO passthru interface on my radar. I agree,
>> getting the IO passthru path correct is also good idea.
> Okay. This will be addressed in the next revision, right?
I don't think it should. passthru IO requires the issuer to understand
the nvme
device, and CQT falls under this definition.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-16 22:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-24 12:07 [PATCH RFC 0/3] nvme: add support for command quiesce timeout Daniel Wagner
2025-03-24 12:07 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] nvmet: add command quiesce time Daniel Wagner
2025-04-01 9:33 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-04-10 9:00 ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-16 11:37 ` Daniel Wagner
2025-03-24 12:07 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] nvme: store cqt value into nvme ctrl object Daniel Wagner
2025-04-01 9:34 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-03-24 12:07 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] nvme: delay failover by command quiesce timeout Daniel Wagner
2025-04-01 9:37 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-04-15 12:00 ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-01 13:32 ` Nilay Shroff
2025-04-15 12:05 ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-10 8:51 ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-14 22:28 ` Sagi Grimberg
2025-04-15 12:11 ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-15 21:07 ` Sagi Grimberg
2025-04-15 23:02 ` Randy Jennings
2025-04-15 23:35 ` Sagi Grimberg
2025-04-15 23:57 ` Randy Jennings
2025-04-16 22:15 ` Sagi Grimberg
2025-04-17 0:47 ` Randy Jennings
2025-04-15 12:17 ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-15 22:56 ` Randy Jennings
2025-04-16 6:39 ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-16 0:17 ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-16 6:57 ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-16 13:39 ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-16 0:40 ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-16 8:30 ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-16 13:53 ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-16 22:21 ` Sagi Grimberg [this message]
2025-04-16 22:59 ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-17 7:28 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-04-10 16:07 ` Jiewei Ke
2025-04-10 17:13 ` Jiewei Ke
2025-04-13 22:03 ` Sagi Grimberg
2025-04-16 8:51 ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-16 0:23 ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-16 11:33 ` Daniel Wagner
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2025-04-15 12:34 ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-15 15:08 ` Jiewei Ke
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