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From: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
To: Mohamed Khalfella <mkhalfella@purestorage.com>,
	Daniel Wagner <dwagner@suse.de>
Cc: Daniel Wagner <wagi@kernel.org>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>, Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	John Meneghini <jmeneghi@redhat.com>,
	randyj@purestorage.com, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 3/3] nvme: delay failover by command quiesce timeout
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 01:21:08 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <df6cd26e-551a-4bc1-bdc6-9c715e502aa8@grimberg.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250416135318.GI1868505-mkhalfella@purestorage.com>



On 16/04/2025 16:53, Mohamed Khalfella wrote:
> On 2025-04-16 10:30:11 +0200, Daniel Wagner wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 05:40:16PM -0700, Mohamed Khalfella wrote:
>>> On 2025-04-15 14:17:48 +0200, Daniel Wagner wrote:
>>>> Pasthrough commands should fail immediately. Userland is in charge here,
>>>> not the kernel. At least this what should happen here.
>>> I see your point. Unless I am missing something these requests should be
>>> held equally to bio requests from multipath layer. Let us say app
>>> submitted write a request that got canceled immediately, how does the app
>>> know when it is safe to retry the write request?
>> Good question, but nothing new as far I can tell. If the kernel doesn't
>> start to retry passthru IO commands, we have to figure out how to pass
>> additional information to the userland.
>>
> nvme multipath does not retry passthru commands. That is said, there is
> nothing prevents userspace from retrying canceled command immediately
> resulting in the unwanted behavior these very patches try to address.

userspace can read the controller cqt and implement the retry logic on 
its own.
If it doesn't/can't, it should use normal fs io. the driver does not 
handle passthru retries.

>
>>> Holding requests like write until it is safe to be retried is the whole
>>> point of this work, right?
>> My first goal was to address the IO commands submitted via the block
>> layer. I didn't had the IO passthru interface on my radar. I agree,
>> getting the IO passthru path correct is also good idea.
> Okay. This will be addressed in the next revision, right?

I don't think it should. passthru IO requires the issuer to understand 
the nvme
device, and CQT falls under this definition.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-16 22:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-24 12:07 [PATCH RFC 0/3] nvme: add support for command quiesce timeout Daniel Wagner
2025-03-24 12:07 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] nvmet: add command quiesce time Daniel Wagner
2025-04-01  9:33   ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-04-10  9:00   ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-16 11:37     ` Daniel Wagner
2025-03-24 12:07 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] nvme: store cqt value into nvme ctrl object Daniel Wagner
2025-04-01  9:34   ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-03-24 12:07 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] nvme: delay failover by command quiesce timeout Daniel Wagner
2025-04-01  9:37   ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-04-15 12:00     ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-01 13:32   ` Nilay Shroff
2025-04-15 12:05     ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-10  8:51   ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-14 22:28     ` Sagi Grimberg
2025-04-15 12:11       ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-15 21:07         ` Sagi Grimberg
2025-04-15 23:02           ` Randy Jennings
2025-04-15 23:35             ` Sagi Grimberg
2025-04-15 23:57               ` Randy Jennings
2025-04-16 22:15                 ` Sagi Grimberg
2025-04-17  0:47                   ` Randy Jennings
2025-04-15 12:17     ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-15 22:56       ` Randy Jennings
2025-04-16  6:39         ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-16  0:17       ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-16  6:57         ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-16 13:39           ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-16  0:40       ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-16  8:30         ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-16 13:53           ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-16 22:21             ` Sagi Grimberg [this message]
2025-04-16 22:59               ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-17  7:28                 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-04-10 16:07   ` Jiewei Ke
2025-04-10 17:13   ` Jiewei Ke
2025-04-13 22:03   ` Sagi Grimberg
2025-04-16  8:51     ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-16  0:23   ` Mohamed Khalfella
2025-04-16 11:33     ` Daniel Wagner
     [not found] <8F2489FD-1663-4A52-A50B-F15046AC2878@163.com>
2025-04-15 12:34 ` Daniel Wagner
2025-04-15 15:08   ` Jiewei Ke

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