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From: Daniel Walker <dwalker@fifo99.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>
Cc: Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com>, Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Geoff Smith <geoffx.smith@intel.com>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Linux-pm mailing list <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, Liam Girdwood <lrg@slimlogic.co.uk>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 10:57:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1274119039.25625.12.camel@c-dwalke-linux.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1274115885.4418.59.camel@mulgrave.site>

On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 13:04 -0400, James Bottomley wrote:

> I'm not sure this is real world, either.  Developers can fire up
> powertop from the command line when their phone isn't idling for as long
> as it should.  But a phone is a consumer device: the average smart phone
> user just wants to browse the web, get email, go to facebook and play
> with some cool apps.  If one of those cool apps is rogue, they're not
> really going to know which one or how to find it (and firing up powertop
> from the command line isn't something which will occur to them as a
> matter of routine).
> 
> One of the nice things that suspend blockers actually does is to give
> the kernel a clear name for the process blocking suspend (and thus
> consuming power).  This allows a nice way to assign power budget to the
> application and present who's using what in a nice visible form, which
> does facilitate the reporting of bad apps, even for the non-developer
> user.

If you have an idle based PM system you could get the same information
from having scheduler statistics. Since the "bad" apps are the ones that
are always either running or ready to run, and they would hardly ever
sleep. I don't know if there are specific scheduler statistics for that,
but it doesn't seem like it would be hard to make. It's even much more
natural than getting statistics from suspend blockers, since it requires
the app to be custom made to use suspend blockers.

Daniel


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-17 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 186+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1272667021-21312-1-git-send-email-arve@android.com>
2010-05-13  3:35 ` [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Paul Walmsley
2010-05-13 12:17   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 17:33     ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 18:17       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-13 18:25         ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 18:36           ` [linux-pm] " Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 18:59             ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 19:11               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 19:36                 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 19:48                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:11                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:16                       ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 21:27                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:33                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 21:36                             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:54                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:46                             ` Greg KH
2010-05-13 22:27                               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:45                                 ` Greg KH
2010-05-14  0:03                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:46                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 23:36                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 23:48                                     ` [linux-pm] " Brian Swetland
2010-05-14  0:29                                       ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:33                               ` Woodruff, Richard
2010-05-13 22:46                                 ` Greg KH
2010-05-13 23:06                                   ` [linux-pm] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 23:28                                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-14 16:47                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 14:16   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 19:17     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 19:25       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 19:42         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 19:53           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 20:00             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 20:08               ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 20:23                 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 20:34                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:10                     ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:21                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:34                         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-15 19:54                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:21                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:25                       ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:56                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 20:41                           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 21:25                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 21:40                             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 21:50                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 22:45                                 ` [linux-pm] " Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 22:59                                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15  2:58                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  3:40                                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15 21:19                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-17 15:40                                           ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 17:04                                             ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 17:47                                               ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 17:58                                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 18:16                                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 17:59                                                 ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 18:12                                                   ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:26                                                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 18:39                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:45                                                         ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 20:22                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 18:45                                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-05-17 18:47                                                         ` Mike Chan
2010-05-17 19:24                                                     ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 19:38                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 19:39                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 19:49                                                           ` James Bottomley
2010-05-18  6:40                                                             ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-18 13:59                                                               ` James Bottomley
2010-05-19  6:59                                                                 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-19 20:42                                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-20  4:49                                                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 11:27                                                                       ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-05-20 11:29                                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 17:40                                                                         ` David Brownell
2010-05-20 18:50                                                                           ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 23:08                                                                             ` David Brownell
2010-05-20  5:15                                                                   ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20  8:57                                                                     ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20  8:57                                                                       ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 10:05                                                                       ` [linux-pm] " Florian Mickler
2010-05-20 10:15                                                                         ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:54                                                   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 17:57                                               ` Daniel Walker [this message]
2010-05-15 20:14                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:44                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:24                         ` tytso
2010-05-13 20:36                   ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-14 16:06                 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-24 21:25                 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-13 21:41           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:54             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:07               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 22:26           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 21:14       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:31         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:57           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:37       ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:47         ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:01           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 22:08             ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:28               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-15  2:35                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  4:04                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 22:04           ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14  3:25           ` Magnus Damm
2010-05-14 16:18             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-15  2:47             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-24 21:24     ` Pavel Machek
     [not found] ` <1272667021-21312-2-git-send-email-arve@android.com>
2010-05-13 19:01   ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Paul Walmsley
2010-05-14 20:05     ` Paul Walmsley
     [not found] ` <87wrvl5479.fsf@deeprootsystems.com>
     [not found]   ` <20100503180741.GB2098@rakim.wolfsonmicro.main>
2010-05-14 17:39     ` [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Paul Walmsley
     [not found]     ` <201005032318.35383.rjw@sisk.pl>
2010-05-14 20:02       ` Paul Walmsley
     [not found]       ` <87sk68r1zh.fsf@deeprootsystems.com>
     [not found]         ` <s2qd6200be21005031709r28420f0ezf3cf286517ee9114@mail.gmail.com>
2010-05-14 20:27           ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-14 22:18             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-15  2:25               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15  4:02                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-15 21:25                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-17  4:54                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18  2:26               ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-18  3:21                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18  7:03                   ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-18 19:39                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-25  9:41                   ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-25 23:08                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-26  7:23                       ` Linus WALLEIJ
2010-05-26 16:01                         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-27  7:46                           ` Linus WALLEIJ
2010-05-27  8:04                             ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-27  8:40                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-27 15:33                             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-28 11:54                               ` Linus WALLEIJ
2010-05-20 23:37                 ` David Brownell
2010-05-25 16:51               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-25 18:25                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-25 18:33                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-25 22:05                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-25 22:28                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]         ` <20100504004338.GA22678@srcf.ucam.org>
2010-05-14 20:36           ` Paul Walmsley
     [not found]   ` <20100503215028.GB18910@srcf.ucam.org>
2010-05-14 20:20     ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-14 20:32       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-14 22:32         ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 22:37           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-15 19:47             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-15 19:55               ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15 23:51                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16  0:31                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-14 23:15           ` tytso
2010-05-15 19:52             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:01               ` Mark Brown
2010-05-18  1:39               ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-18  1:55                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-19 16:17                   ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-19 16:25                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-21 16:51                       ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-21 17:01                         ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-21 17:09                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 16:12             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 19:27               ` Vitaly Wool
2010-05-17 19:34                 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 19:50                   ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-17 20:00                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 20:02                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 20:53                   ` Linus WALLEIJ
2010-05-17 21:06                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 21:16                       ` Linus WALLEIJ
2010-05-17 21:24                         ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 21:29                           ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-17 21:35                             ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 21:39                               ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-17 21:27                   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 21:34                     ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 22:56                       ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 21:36                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-18  2:40                       ` tytso
2010-05-17 20:07                 ` [linux-pm] " Mike Chan
2010-05-17 20:17                   ` Vitaly Wool
2010-05-17 21:04                     ` Mike Chan
2010-05-17 22:55                   ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 23:04                     ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 20:15               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-30 12:21               ` tytso

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