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From: Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:15:34 +0300
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Hi,

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:05:19PM +0200, ext Florian Mickler wrote:
>You said that already. For me this sounds like you want to take the
>users hostage in order to get nice (poweraware) apps.

not the users, no. The app developers. They should know what bad 
applications can cause to a nicely done system.

>Robust system design can take crap and perform well. Users will most of
>the time prefer a robust system over a nicely designed system. (Just
>think of the ak-47)

(hope you're talking about the gun :-p)
put some bad bullets on ak-47 and see if it behaves well, a really 
crappy trigger will also make it fail. How robust can a system be with 
badly chosen components ?

>I think we just have to agree to disagree here?

I think so.

-- 
balbi

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