From: Florian Mickler <florian@mickler.org>
To: me@felipebalbi.com
Cc: felipe.balbi@nokia.com,
ext James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>,
Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
"linux-omap@vger.kernel.org" <linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>,
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Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
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Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Liam Girdwood <lrg@slimlogic.co.uk>,
Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:05:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100520120519.0d27d6bf@schatten.dmk.lab> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100520085739.GB14584@gandalf>
On Thu, 20 May 2010 11:57:40 +0300
Felipe Balbi <me@felipebalbi.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 07:15:28AM +0200, Florian Mickler wrote:
> > But with that, you still shift the burden of exchanging that app with
> > an feature-equivalent non-broken version to the user.
> > which is not user friendly and not necessary if you have a "smart"
> > enough kernel.
>
> and _without that_, you shift the burden of having a working power
> management completely into the kernel. Forcing the kernel to deal with
> completely broken apps. What will happen is that apps developers won't
> boder thinking about power consumption since the kernel is "smart"
> enough to "fix" their mess.
>
> To me that's much bigger burden to the kernel than the other option is
> to apps.
>
You said that already. For me this sounds like you want to take the
users hostage in order to get nice (poweraware) apps.
Robust system design can take crap and perform well. Users will most of
the time prefer a robust system over a nicely designed system. (Just
think of the ak-47)
I think we just have to agree to disagree here?
Cheers,
Flo
p.s.: don't take me seriously, i'm just a user
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[not found] <1272667021-21312-1-git-send-email-arve@android.com>
2010-05-13 3:35 ` [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Paul Walmsley
2010-05-13 12:17 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 17:33 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 18:17 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-13 18:25 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 18:36 ` [linux-pm] " Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 18:59 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 19:11 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 19:36 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 19:48 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:11 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:16 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 21:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:33 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 21:36 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:46 ` Greg KH
2010-05-13 22:27 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:45 ` Greg KH
2010-05-14 0:03 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 23:36 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 23:48 ` [linux-pm] " Brian Swetland
2010-05-14 0:29 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:33 ` Woodruff, Richard
2010-05-13 22:46 ` Greg KH
2010-05-13 23:06 ` [linux-pm] " Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 23:28 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-14 16:47 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-13 14:16 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 19:17 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 19:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 19:42 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 19:53 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 20:00 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 20:08 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 20:23 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 20:34 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:10 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:34 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-15 19:54 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-13 21:21 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:25 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 20:41 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 21:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 21:40 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 21:50 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 22:45 ` [linux-pm] " Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 22:59 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15 2:58 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15 3:40 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15 21:19 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-17 15:40 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 17:04 ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 17:47 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 17:58 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 18:16 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 17:59 ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 18:12 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:26 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 18:39 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:45 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 20:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 18:45 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-17 18:47 ` Mike Chan
2010-05-17 19:24 ` James Bottomley
2010-05-17 19:38 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 19:39 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 19:49 ` James Bottomley
2010-05-18 6:40 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-18 13:59 ` James Bottomley
2010-05-19 6:59 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-19 20:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-20 4:49 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 11:27 ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-05-20 11:29 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 17:40 ` David Brownell
2010-05-20 18:50 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 23:08 ` David Brownell
2010-05-20 5:15 ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20 8:57 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 8:57 ` Felipe Balbi
2010-05-20 10:05 ` Florian Mickler [this message]
2010-05-20 10:15 ` [linux-pm] " Felipe Balbi
2010-05-17 18:54 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 17:57 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-15 20:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:44 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-13 22:24 ` tytso
2010-05-13 20:36 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-14 16:06 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-24 21:25 ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-13 21:41 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:54 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 22:26 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 21:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:31 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 21:57 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-13 21:37 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 21:47 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:01 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-13 22:08 ` Tony Lindgren
2010-05-13 22:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-15 2:35 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15 4:04 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-13 22:04 ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-14 3:25 ` Magnus Damm
2010-05-14 16:18 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-15 2:47 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-24 21:24 ` Pavel Machek
[not found] ` <1272667021-21312-2-git-send-email-arve@android.com>
2010-05-13 19:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Paul Walmsley
2010-05-14 20:05 ` Paul Walmsley
[not found] ` <87wrvl5479.fsf@deeprootsystems.com>
[not found] ` <20100503180741.GB2098@rakim.wolfsonmicro.main>
2010-05-14 17:39 ` [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 6) Paul Walmsley
[not found] ` <201005032318.35383.rjw@sisk.pl>
2010-05-14 20:02 ` Paul Walmsley
[not found] ` <87sk68r1zh.fsf@deeprootsystems.com>
[not found] ` <s2qd6200be21005031709r28420f0ezf3cf286517ee9114@mail.gmail.com>
2010-05-14 20:27 ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-14 22:18 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-15 2:25 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-15 4:02 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-15 21:25 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-17 4:54 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 2:26 ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-18 3:21 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 7:03 ` Henrik Rydberg
2010-05-18 19:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-25 9:41 ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-25 23:08 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-26 7:23 ` Linus WALLEIJ
2010-05-26 16:01 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-27 7:46 ` Linus WALLEIJ
2010-05-27 8:04 ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-27 8:40 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-27 15:33 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-28 11:54 ` Linus WALLEIJ
2010-05-20 23:37 ` David Brownell
2010-05-25 16:51 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-25 18:25 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-25 18:33 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2010-05-25 22:05 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-25 22:28 ` Dmitry Torokhov
[not found] ` <20100504004338.GA22678@srcf.ucam.org>
2010-05-14 20:36 ` Paul Walmsley
[not found] ` <20100503215028.GB18910@srcf.ucam.org>
2010-05-14 20:20 ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-14 20:32 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-14 22:32 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-14 22:37 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-15 19:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-15 19:55 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-15 23:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 0:31 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-14 23:15 ` tytso
2010-05-15 19:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:01 ` Mark Brown
2010-05-18 1:39 ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-18 1:55 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-19 16:17 ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-19 16:25 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-21 16:51 ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-21 17:01 ` Paul Walmsley
2010-05-21 17:09 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 16:12 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 19:27 ` Vitaly Wool
2010-05-17 19:34 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 19:50 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-17 20:00 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 20:02 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 20:53 ` Linus WALLEIJ
2010-05-17 21:06 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 21:16 ` Linus WALLEIJ
2010-05-17 21:24 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 21:29 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-17 21:35 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 21:39 ` Daniel Walker
2010-05-17 21:27 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 21:34 ` Matthew Garrett
2010-05-17 22:56 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 21:36 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-18 2:40 ` tytso
2010-05-17 20:07 ` [linux-pm] " Mike Chan
2010-05-17 20:17 ` Vitaly Wool
2010-05-17 21:04 ` Mike Chan
2010-05-17 22:55 ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-17 23:04 ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 20:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-30 12:21 ` tytso
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