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From: Tony Lindgren <tony-4v6yS6AI5VpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern-nwvwT67g6+6dFdvTe/nMLpVzexx5G7lz@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Roger Quadros <rogerq-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>,
	gregkh-hQyY1W1yCW8ekmWlsbkhG0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org,
	balbi-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org,
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	peter.chen-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org,
	jun.li-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org,
	mathias.nyman-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-usb-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-omap-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/9] usb: hcd: Introduce usb_start/stop_hcd()
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 19:38:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150319023807.GB31346@atomide.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1503182147410.32267-100000-pYrvlCTfrz9XsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>

* Alan Stern <stern-nwvwT67g6+6dFdvTe/nMLpVzexx5G7lz@public.gmane.org> [150318 18:51]:
> On Wed, 18 Mar 2015, Tony Lindgren wrote:
> 
> > > If the host controller is started more than once, you will end up
> > > unregistering and re-registering the root hub.  The device core does
> > > not allow this.  Once a device has been unregistered, you must not try
> > > to register it again -- you have to allocate a new device and register
> > > it instead.
> > > 
> > > Also, although you call the driver's ->start method multiple times, the
> > > ->reset method is called only once, when the controller is first 
> > > probed.  It's not clear that this will work in a situation where the HC 
> > > and the UDC share hardware state; after the UDC is stopped it may be 
> > > necessary to reset the HC before it can run again.
> > > 
> > > It might be possible to make this work, but I suspect quite a few 
> > > drivers would need rewriting first.  As another example of the problems 
> > > you face, consider how stopping a host controller will interact with 
> > > the driver's PM support (both system suspend and runtime suspend).
> > > 
> > > It would be a lot simpler to unbind the host controller driver
> > > completely when switching to device mode and rebind it when switching
> > > back.  I guess that is the sort of heavy-duty approach you want to
> > > avoid, but it may be the only practical way forward.
> > 
> > Hmm from memory I think the OTG spec assumes the USB devices are
> > suspended when attempting the role change? I could be totally wrong,
> > it's been a really long time since I've looked at the OTG spec, but
> > maybe that would make it easier to deal with thing?
> 
> This patch deals with the host side, not the device side.  The fact
> that the device is suspended is not relevant to the issues above.

OK, got it.
 
> Besides, the problems I outlined are more connected with the way 
> Linux's host-side USB stack is organized, and not so much with the 
> details of the OTG spec.

Yes thanks for the explanation.

Regards,

Tony
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-19  2:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-18 13:55 [RFC][PATCH 0/9] USB: OTG Core functionality Roger Quadros
2015-03-18 13:55 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/9] usb: hcd: Introduce usb_start/stop_hcd() Roger Quadros
     [not found]   ` <1426686963-11613-2-git-send-email-rogerq-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-18 19:49     ` Alan Stern
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1503181538170.1497-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-18 21:41         ` Tony Lindgren
2015-03-19  1:51           ` Alan Stern
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1503182147410.32267-100000-pYrvlCTfrz9XsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-19  2:38               ` Tony Lindgren [this message]
2015-03-19 11:38       ` Roger Quadros
2015-03-19 14:17         ` Alan Stern
     [not found]         ` <550AB538.7090806-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-20  6:32           ` Peter Chen
2015-03-20  9:49             ` Roger Quadros
2015-03-19  1:46   ` Peter Chen
2015-03-18 13:55 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/9] usb: gadget: add usb_gadget_start/stop() Roger Quadros
     [not found]   ` <1426686963-11613-3-git-send-email-rogerq-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-19  3:30     ` Peter Chen
2015-03-19 10:14       ` Roger Quadros
     [not found]         ` <550AA18F.2000106-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-19 14:09           ` Li Jun
     [not found]             ` <20150319140859.GA7950-KgLukfWpBlCctlrPMvKcciBecyulp+rMXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-19 14:50               ` Roger Quadros
2015-03-20  7:18                 ` Peter Chen
2015-03-20  9:46                   ` Roger Quadros
2015-03-20 11:08                     ` Roger Quadros
     [not found]                       ` <550BFFA9.7050400-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-21  1:30                         ` Peter Chen
2015-03-18 13:55 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/9] usb: otg: add OTG core Roger Quadros
2015-03-19  3:40   ` Peter Chen
2015-03-19 10:18     ` Roger Quadros
2015-03-20  7:45       ` Peter Chen
2015-03-20  9:18         ` Roger Quadros
2015-03-20  9:32           ` Peter Chen
     [not found]   ` <1426686963-11613-4-git-send-email-rogerq-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-19  8:26     ` Li Jun
2015-03-19 10:30       ` Roger Quadros
     [not found]         ` <550AA556.1030301-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-19 14:41           ` Li Jun
2015-03-19 14:54             ` Roger Quadros
2015-03-18 13:55 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/9] usb: otg: hub: Notify OTG fsm when A device sets b_hnp_enable Roger Quadros
2015-03-18 13:55 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/9] usb: hcd: adapt to OTG Roger Quadros
2015-03-18 13:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/9] usb: gadget: udc: " Roger Quadros
2015-03-18 13:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/9] usb: dwc3: adapt to OTG core Roger Quadros
2015-03-18 13:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 8/9] usb: otg-fsm: Remove unused members in struct otg_fsm Roger Quadros
2015-03-19  3:46   ` Peter Chen
2015-03-19 10:20     ` Roger Quadros
2015-03-18 13:56 ` [RFC][PATCH 9/9] usb: otg-fsm: Add documentation for " Roger Quadros
2015-03-18 17:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/9] USB: OTG Core functionality Tony Lindgren
     [not found]   ` <20150318173726.GS31346-4v6yS6AI5VpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-03-19 10:31     ` Roger Quadros

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