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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: (subset) [PATCH 00/72] media: i2c: Reduce cargo-cult
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 13:34:03 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250812103403.GL30054@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e91ed87c-7e2c-4c43-b405-ce3470697a2a@kernel.org>

On Tue, Aug 12, 2025 at 12:28:28PM +0200, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
> On 12/08/2025 11:39, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> [12/72] arm64: dts: qcom: sdm845-db845c-navigation-mezzanine: Replace clock-frequency in camera sensor node
> >>>>         commit: 5433560caa5e7e677a8d4310bbec08312be765b4
> >>>
> >>> I'm afraid that's too soon. This will introduce a breakage without a
> >>> corresponding change to the camera sensor driver.
> >>>
> >>> I will post a v2 with the patches reordered. We could merge the V4L2
> >>> side in a rc1-based stable branch and merge than in the arm-soc tree as
> >>
> >> You cannot ("cannot" as not following the process) merge drivers into
> >> DTS branch.
> > 
> > Ah, I wasn't aware of that. DTS trees don't allow merging stable
> > branches shared with other subsystems ? Does it mean that a DTS change
> 
> Not with driver subsystems. Why? Because it breaks encapsulation of
> hardware description being entirely independent of given Linux driver
> implementation.
> 
> BTW, it is already documented in maintainer-soc in ABI stability (I will
> fix "devicetree" ambiguity to DTS) and driver branch dependencies.
> 
> > that depends on a driver change always need to be delayed by one kernel
> > version ?
> 
> This is one solution, although as I mentioned later it still affects all
> other users of DTS, so it has its own drawbacks.
> 
> Other solution is to keep both properties for more than one cycle.

OK.

There's no urgency to merge the .dts changes, so I think delaying them
by one kernel release is the simplest option.

> >>> well, but I think we can also delay the .dts changes to the next kernel
> >>
> >> All users of DTS will be anyway affected and commit msg should address that.
> > 
> > Which commit message, the one for the driver changes or the one for the
> > DTS changes ? I plan in the next version to indicate that the DT changes
> > depend on the driver changes.
> 
> DTS changes, so the soc maintainers can judge whether they care about
> other DTS users or they do not.

Thank you for the clarification. I will do that.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-12 10:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-10 17:46 [PATCH 00/72] media: i2c: Reduce cargo-cult Laurent Pinchart
2025-07-10 17:47 ` [PATCH 09/72] ARM: dts: ti: omap3-n900: Replace clock-frequency in camera sensor node Laurent Pinchart
2025-07-10 17:47 ` [PATCH 10/72] ARM: dts: ti: omap3-n950: " Laurent Pinchart
2025-07-10 17:47 ` [PATCH 11/72] ARM: dts: ti: omap3-n9: " Laurent Pinchart
2025-07-24 11:42 ` [PATCH 00/72] media: i2c: Reduce cargo-cult Tarang Raval
2025-07-24 11:52   ` Laurent Pinchart
     [not found]     ` <PN3P287MB1829C9E8C78ADD70259A68F08B5EA@PN3P287MB1829.INDP287.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
2025-07-24 13:37       ` Mark Brown
2025-07-24 13:52       ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-07-24 14:20         ` Tarang Raval
2025-07-24 14:26           ` Mark Brown
2025-07-24 15:44           ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-07-25  7:00             ` Tarang Raval
2025-07-25  9:38               ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-07-25 10:35                 ` Tarang Raval
2025-07-25 11:00                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-07-25 11:31                     ` Tarang Raval
2025-07-25 12:35               ` Mark Brown
2025-07-26  6:17                 ` Tarang Raval
2025-08-11 23:27 ` (subset) " Bjorn Andersson
2025-08-12  8:51   ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-12  8:58     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-12  9:39       ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-08-12 10:28         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-12 10:34           ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2025-08-12 20:10           ` Laurent Pinchart

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