Re: USB driver issue

[Emanoil Kotsev <deloptes@yahoo.com>]

I'll stop this discussion. If you feel you are right, then this should be true and I don't mind it.

The problem was with you calling 2.6.22 a "such old", but I give up this discussion too. You have the right to think it is and I have the right to do not. After I have your point of view I have to live with that, hope the same for you.

It would be anyway nice if you do not make such (2.6.22 - "such old") statments, but if you wish you could and I don't mind either. 

I think I'll spend my time filing bugs instead of arguing with you, as it leads to nothing obviously.

Unfortunately I still don't have a solution - until bugs from 3rd party vednors are solved you label the kernel as old ... but may be in future it will change.

regars

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Felipe Balbi <me@felipebalbi.com> wrote:

> From: Felipe Balbi <me@felipebalbi.com>
> Subject: Re: USB driver issue
> To: "Emanoil Kotsev" <deloptes@yahoo.com>
> Cc: me@felipebalbi.com, "linux-omap@vger.kernel.org" <linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>, "linux-omap-open-source@linux.omap.com" <linux-omap-open-source@linux.omap.com>, "linux-usb@vger.kernel.org" <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 11:17 AM
> On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 02:02:27AM -0700, Emanoil Kotsev
> wrote:
> > Felipe, thank you for answering. I now see what's
> the problem with you
> 
> you should really rephrase this.
> 
> > I don't see anywhere the word
> "production" in your list, and that's my
> point. I want something that works and if there is a bug to
> be able to fix it and make it more stable. 
> 
> And that will come from the commercial company you said
> below.
> Hopefully that commercial company will also notify the
> community so that
> bug won't happen again in recent kernel versions.
> 
> That's exactly what we do when we release a new version
> of our Maemo SW,
> it's not only a theme change, we're fixing bugs all
> around the thing.
> 
> > You debug, test and develop but you DON'T ralay on
> it. I am willing to have the oposite. NOT developeing,
> testing and debuging, but just using it - can you understand
> that?
> 
> And this is something you still don't get. I DO relay
> on it. Of course
> we freeze internal development as soon as we release the
> pieces to
> linux-omap, because it doesn't make any sense for us to
> keep backporting
> so many pieces, although I remember backporting some
> patches to 2.6.18
> back in n800 time.
> 
> > I want to use a kernel for PRODUCTION purposes, not
> for playing with it as you obviously do. I don't have
> time to start over debugging different issues that I did not
> have with the previous release, especially when it comes to
> my personal data that's stored out there.
> 
> you're wrong here. By the time we release our kernel,
> we also publish
> everything to linux-omap tree. You can get any version of
> linux-omap and
> boot your n8xx up to maemo desktop. That's even not a
> big deal.
> Unfortunately we have a few closed source pieces which we
> are still
> trying to open, believe me, it's not as easy as
> publishing.
> 
> > Even commercial companies support flavour of their
> OS's for years, so why shouldn't the linux community
> don't do it. It would bring benefit to all of us. Please
> refer to the discussion with Greg. I thinkg it makes more
> sense
> 
> But then you can get the support from those commercial
> companies,
> can't you ?
> 
> If there is someone else already supporting older versions
> of the kernel
> why should we stop ? The thing is, I just want to be sure
> the bug
> someone is reporting still happens in current code,
> otherwise I won't
> bother looking. If it's fixed, I just don't have
> enough time to
> backport, anyone else can do it for you, or even you if you
> have the
> time/expertise to do so.
> 
> -- 
> balbi